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Sorry about the poll i accidentally pressed close! I'll put it up when I post the fight. Which should be today.
I'm actually changing Aerosteon to Fukuiraptor. And yes as a spoiler, I think Megaraptor would win.
It doesn’t matter to me either way. Just because the writing on a series Is not stellar doesn’t mean it wouldn’t be fun to have a job in it.
Me too, but not on the MV.
don't know bout me but if there will be a new solo mothra movie my mom would love it tho
Thank you very much
These battles remind me of my friend's dino battles.
Cool, It's pretty easy to choose. Judging by the size, speed, and weight. Megaraptor for sure, it's fast, quite heavy, and has a more potent bite force.
Idk I have not read the comics, I just know of them
It is a nice way to get paid tho.
Like, I would want to get paid that way
SasquaDash Agreed, Gigan would be more likely to appear again. But Biollante could be interesting, it would be like the fan movie Godzilla: Desolation but with Kong and other different outcomes and stuff.
lets not jump to conclusions nicozilla.
i dont like avatar.....thus animals beating the white men. what kind of invasion is this................??..lol.
prometheus is a important movie .he tell us about the origins of the aliens franchise.thus engineers who become evil and threaten humanity .we have to be aware from alien civilisations that want to make a contact with us... they are not all a friendly..
I'm still pretty adamant about Biollante, it'd be a cool idea for an "ancient threat".
Though, more than likely it'll probably be a new monster.
i like the landscapses and the ambient in BR.it is a great artwork.it earned tha place of a classic for me.......................he is only the best.
liv taylor ...............a beautiful woman.
Deckard is a replicant.................why not ??..
Gigan could potentially be a good choice. He's the most unique out of the three and his origin could work as a "ancient undiscovered threat". He could be another alien titan that's currently lying dormant in a mummified state (similar to his appearance in Final Wars). Being an alien, he could also be tied to King Ghidorah's origin as well.
I think that you might be misinterpreting that statement. She was stating that she had fun working on the movie, not that she was only doing it to get paid.
mothra is coming back because in the credits in KOTM there was a part where it shown an egg. so yes mothra is coming to the next monsterverse
One plus is the Godzilla fandom doesn't have a ship discourse (I may be speaking too soon).
Fandom discourse is pretty much what consumed Star Wars, but I doubt it'll happen to a fandom as large this one (hopefully).
"It was a nice way to get paid."
Yeah, my faith in this movie has been completely shot out the window.
@Thoughts_Dreams
In regards to my Comment "The Ideas that RS had are simply to BIG and BOLD for a lot of the Fans who would prefer something more SIMPLE and POPCORN"
I did a Reply on this on this Topic HERE
I think that YES it would have been NICE to see more of the Engineers, but they was becoming a Distraction from the Xenomorph... you would STRUGGLE to make a Movie that would have Xenomorphs, and Engineers as well as Human Characters, PLUS then to Expand on the Character of David who RS saw as the Focus... we would have had to GIVE like David a Lesser Role.... also you would NOT be able to JUGGLE the Engineers and Xenomorphs if you was to EXPLORE more of the Engineers.
Beyond the CORE of them just as Military Types who are Intend on using the Xenomorph to Rule the Galaxy.... Sacrificing the Depth to WHY and more so Expanding what else to the Engineers do other than FLY those BOMBERS.
So maybe STICKING to the Basics and Core is BEST....
But you will HIT a WALL down the Line with the Limitations... the Predators are another Example...
COOL ALIEN RACE... they Look ACE, they have Cool Tech and Weapons.. but the CORE we have seen is they go to Worlds to HUNT... take Trophies and then GET their ASSES out of DODGE!
What else do they DO... is their Hunting their ONLY Agenda? Whats the Home-world like? Have they Many Worlds, what about History and Religion, and are they at CONFLICT with anyone?
You could Expand these..... but it could be a case of would this DISTRACT from the CORE of what we have seen in the Franchise... maybe could lead to what we had with the Prequels... by trying to DIG DEEPER into the Space Jockey beyond the Basics.
As FAR as to Replace the Xenomorph (Xenotaris) i think you could do so, but then you may UPSET some Fans if you STEER AWAY from the Xenomorph Aesthetic too much... so you have to be Careful.
For me i think the Xenomorph has a Limited Life-Span (Shelf Life) before it becomes Repetitive but for some Fans this is OK if you make them more Comic Like in Terms of Evolve them to like we seen in Video Games. But while i say that and it may APPLY to myself... the Xenomorph for Many has a Great Shelf Life i mean it SELLS look at the Many Toys, Comics and Games... i think it needs to be Changed a BIT... which the Comics and Games have tried.
I am just NOT sure it would WORK as Well as Far as Longevity on the Big Screen or TV Show... because then we are going like Starship Troopers where we have to WATCH as Mankind Struggles against a ever EVOLVING HORDE of ALIENS and its WHAT can Humanity do to Survive.
Can you PULL this OFF for like 3 more Movies or more? Maybe NOT if its ALIENS vs HUMANS.
Can you PULL it off for like more than 3 Seasons of TV Show? If i USE say the WALKING DEAD as a Example.... having 11 Seasons where Humans are just trying to Escape from Zombies would NOT work.....
Its the Human Aspect that makes it Work, its when you look at WHAT LENGTHS that other Humans would GO against their OWN KIND to Survive... those who SELFISHLY take Advantage of the Situation (Zombie Apocalypse).
And so the ALIEN Franchise has to look at this.... WHAT can Humans Gain from the Xenomorph..... this has NOT been Explored in Depth because every TIME we see the Humans try and Obtain the Xemomorph before they can Experiment in Depth on them..... they Basically get DONE IN by the Xenomorph.
Its a Case of Humans become the Bigger Threat to ourselves... as Ripley had said when she said you DONT see them (Xenomorphs) Screwing Each other over. Ridley Scott was attempting to look at the Threat of Humanity being just Cause for the Engineers to Create a Horrific Pest Control.... also looking into Creating A.I that becomes Sentient like Humans and HOW BIG a Threat this was.
So i think you CAN go and Change the Xenomorph but if you do it too much or eventually you give something NEW were the Xenomorph is NO-MORE then you will have some Fans who will NOT be Happy.... but at the same Time you cant keep going on the Route like Starship Troopers.... you have to look at WHAT and WHY the Humans or A.I would USE the Xenomorph.
There HOWEVER...is NO such thing as ONE FAN TYPE... we all have likes and Dislikes and its a Case of trying to CATER for them... which is HARD and its were they DISNEY have to Cater for the Majority.
The TASK is to Figure out as to WHAT the Majority would want. And so sticking to the BASICS and CORE is the SAFE BET... its a Case of HOW MUCH of a Shelf Life as FAR as TV and Movies does this have?
Time will TELL i suppose.
"When you say that it, reads to me that the audience weren't smart enough"
It could come across as that so maybe its the WRONG choice of Words by me.
What i mean is that ALIEN and the Franchise had a more SIMPLE BASE, the Monster was SIMPLE to a Degree, its Story was a Mystery... The Prequels had began to give Clues but these were NOT like Simple.... trying to Figure Out what the Connection was is something thats not Simple and requires too much Debate which maybe for some Fans is just STRAYING AWAY from the Simplicity of the Xenomorph as seen in ALIEN/ALIENS.
Trying to Over-complicate the Origins maybe is something that will DRIVE AWAY from using the Xenomorph in its more Simple Form that Worked.
When i talk about the BIG and BOLD Plot i am talking about the Creation Arc, the Mutiple Layers of this and Reasons for doing this (Sub-Create) and the Hubris in doing this Especially if you Creates something Dangerous that is HARD to Control or Contain.. but more so something that can become SENTIENT.
I was talking about HOW some of these IDEAS would have gone on to Cover things that are NOT like Connected to a Egg, Face Hugger to Monster that KILLS... but to look at Reasons behind NOT just it, but more so Broader Creation something that would have Covered more about Creator/Creation and the MANY WAYS this could be Explored and NOT about the Xenomorph or Similar.
These Ideas where BIGGER and more BOLDER than the Concept that Revolves around our ALIEN in ALIEN and ALIENS when we look at the Life Cycle and its Consequences. With Ridley Scott he Felt we had seen ENOUGH of the Beast and ONCE you had shown HOW/WHEN it was Created its WHATS THEN?
He Felt that asking the WHO and WHY as in the Creation of the Xenomorph was more Important than the Xenomorph, and that ONCE you Answer this its then WHAT DROVE them to this... and WHAT ELSE have they or Could they Create and on Multiple Layers... which would STEER AWAY from the ALIEN from the Franchise.
A Bold Way to Expand the Franchise to Explore Aspects that are AWAY from our Chest Bursting Fiend.... a Bold Plot that a SINGLE 2 HOUR MOVIE is NOT enough to Cover....
But these Ideas would have taken us to something that would be a SPIN OFF that is NOT going to Center Around the Xenomorph and become something of a Distraction and so something a LOT of the FANS would maybe NOT be interested as it STEERS away from the CORE ASPECT of the Xenomorph.... so its a Case of the Direction and Outcome may have been something that would NOT be the Majority of Fans like CUP OF TEA.... rather than being too Complex for the Fans as in they are STUPID...
So im not trying to say the Fans are NOT like Clever enough, i am saying that the Ideas of RS and the Prequels would Deter from the CORE of the ACTION of the Franchise that MOST of the Fanbase seem to Prefer.
Thats not to say there is just ONE KIND of Fan, with Each Movie there was a New Breed of Fan or they gave Older Fans something they either LIKED or Disliked.... sometimes this Changes a Little with Generation..... but even before those who were Born after the MID-90S then in General the TAKE by ALIENS is what is the more Preferred Incarnation of ALIEN MOVIE.
And so the Direction that RS may have gone would LIKELY had been something that this Majority may NOT have enjoyed, Especially if as it Expanded the ROLE of the Xenomorph became LESS than a Footnote....
But to be Fair to him his Intentions was to give us a NEW FRANCHISE thats in the Same Universe that would EXPLORE who the Space Jockey was (And Creation and Quest for Immortality) and STEER away from the Xenomorph he was NOT trying to CHANGE the ALIEN CORE as in Xenomorph, he had intended to leave this to Mystery of Sorts.
Unfortunately Prometheus just was NOT enough of a Connection to ALIEN for some and for WHAT the Studio then Felt they should have gave more about the Xenomorph... but YES the Movie had its other Failings even if we LOOK at it as a Stand Alone.
And so going back to the TOPIC of a NEW MOVIE... i think its back to the CORE, but then i think its a case of HOW MUCH can you do about the Xenomorph? But there will always be the Fan Base that are more into the Comics, Video Games, ALIENS and the Action... and this kind of Action and Sticking to the CORE is what Draws the MARVEL Fanbase....
I think RS ideas for Prometheus should have been to GIVE us something thats NOT set in the ALIEN Universe.....
*Different Company Name and Owner.
*Engineers who do-not have as much of that Space Jockey/Derelict Aesthetic.
*ALIEN World Location FAR away and not LV* Prefix.
Maybe this could then had been its OWN kind of Stand Alone Franchise... but it still had Flaws... but it has HUGE SCOPE and Potential.... Dragged Down by the Shackles to ALIEN.
PS... thats not me saying i Dislike the ALIEN Franchise... ALIEN is a Great Film, and ALIENS is a Good Film.. the Rest are SO SO.. with Prometheus it was a Great Idea... the Execution a bit off and too SHORT... but Main Failings was Character Depth. But Alien R, AVP, AVPR and well most the Predator Franchise has the same Problem.... the First Movie and PREY being the Exception.
"What about in-between ALIEN and ALIENS?"
Yeah thats a OPTION.... I have spoken about this before Years ago on here ;)
The Basis of that Discussion was the Entrance the Jordans had Entered, it was a Hole in the HULL of the Derelict that seemed to me a LIKELY kind of Explosion. From the overall way that the Damage had looked and so this did LEAD to us to Speculate if someone had been back between ALIEN and ALIENS.
Regarding the ASPECTS that make ALIEN what it is... i know you have said on a Number of Occasions that NO XENOMOPRH is like having Godzilla Movies without GODZILLA.... i can see your Point as YES for MANY of the Fans the Xenomorph is Synonymous with the Franchise.
With ALIEN it was about the ALIEN... with ALIENS we had more than ONE of them, but this is when they was Called the Xenomorph... ALIEN 3 was about the ALIEN again and Alien Resurrection... they Resurrected them... plus Ripley who is the other thing that was Synonymous with ALIEN.
To me you DONT have to have Ripley for a ALIEN MOVIE.... but i agree a ALIEN MOVIE that has NO XENOMORPH for most Fans would just NOT be a ALIEN MOVIE.
Prometheus was a Connecting Movie that would be Loosely Connected but it was NOT intended to be a Direct Connection to the First Movie, it had NO ALIEN as per Xenomorph.... but Hence the TITLE not being ALIEN... Originally the Prequel had a ALIEN Prefix with Alien Engineers and this did have the Xenomorph in it. And Alien Covenant likewise had the Xenomorph and so YES if you do a Movie without the Xenomorph then its going to have some Fans Question as to WHY if there are NO Xenomorphs.
But i guess as LONG as you offer something that has a Connection/Root to the Xenomorphs or a Variation of them as LONG as its NOT like too FAR removed from the Original Forms we saw in the First 4 Movies then i think we can still call it a ALIEN MOVIE. The thing is that Prometheus had done this but in a Subtle Manner where the Clues/Connection was too Vague and NOT like Spoon Fed and the Monsters were NOT that Aesthetically close, compared to say the Neomorph.
With Regards to Thoughts_Dreams comments about Birds... its kind of a Valid Point... with yours regarding the Variants of MANY these are Comic/Video Game versions for the Most Part. some of which i think make NO SENSE to a Degree... because we seem to LOOK BEYOND the Basics.
(1) If the Xenomorph in its PURE FORM is those Eggs, then the Face Huggers will Infect a Host and we get our Xenomorph.... the HOST will Determine what the Xenomorph may look like as the Parasite uses some of the HOSTS DNA to HELP it be suited to its Environment. The Limitation here is the Parasite is Limited to WHAT it can Infect.... so anything Smaller than say a Guinea Pig i would Assume would Yield NO Results. And it would seem Unlikely that a Infected Guinea Pig will Produce a Xenomorph-Form thats Larger than a Dog.
(2) If we look at the Pathogen or Spore method... or indeed the somewhat New Canon that the Face Hugger simply Injects Spores not a Embryo... then Infecting something Smaller could Potentially Occur... but again if this Infected a Insect or Spider then its a Question of HOW LARGE would this Grow?
HOWEVER.... if we look at the Parasite as something that Evolves to its Environment or to IMPROVE itself.... then Evolving/Developing some Traits to AID its ability to Procreate and Survive cant be RULED OUT. And so to Develop say WINGS or to Develop like a Mantis Forelegs (Raptorial Legs) is something that cant be Ruled out....
As FAR as them having Naturally Different Species... i dont think we can PUT them in the Class like a Dog or a Bird or a ANT but something more Varied and Broader... and so like how a Ant and Wasp are from the Hymenoptera Order then i think YES maybe we could Explore the Xenomorph like this.
Regarding the Comparison of a Xenomorph vs Neomorph as in Comparing Variants of Ants i am not sure that Quite Works like this, as the Neomorph came from the Pathogen.... which Evolves things a bit Different but there is a CONNECTION.... just maybe something we cant Compare to a Natural Evolution like with Insects... but as Potentially all these ALIENS are Connected to the Pathogen, combined with a Natural Fast Evolution then there are MANY Possibilities regarding Organisms that have a Common Ancestor of which the Pathogen is a PART of.
Yes but Owls, Canadian Geese, and Humming Birds are more diverse than deacons and neomorphs. The xenomorph has a wide variety of forms based on what host they burst from.
But you haven't answered my last questioned, what should the new "xenomorph" replacement should look and operate like because so far the xenomorph relatives operate just like a xenomorph with some minor differences. If you want a replacement beast it should contrast the xenomorph in all aspects.
With all due respect, the dog analogy kind of contradicts your statement for a new beast because the xenomorphs operate on the different dog breed analogy. Hear me out.
With xenomorphs, you various different breeds like dogs and cats. Larval stages aside: You got Drones, Runners, Warriors, Crushers, Spitters, Preatorians, Queens, Empress, Queen-mother, Ravagers, Prowlers, Bursters (Not to be confused with chestbursters), Flying Queens, Flying warriors, Dragons, Carriers, Boilers, Palatine, Snake-Aliens, Boar-Aliens, Bull-Aliens, Scorpion-Aliens, Mantis-Aliens, clawed xenomorphs, Ultramorph/Jockey-Aliens, etc.
The xenomorph relatives are less like different species of bird and more like different species of ant. To me the xenomorph, neomorph, and the deacons have more similarities than differences much like ants. The xenomorph is like the common variety ant like the Black Garden Ant, the neomorph are more like Pharaoh Ants, and the Deacons are like Trap-Jaw Ants
I guess its up to you what a monsterzero10 is.
BD: OK, so artificially created humans, seems a bit too much like RBW for me. Maybe it just ignites my dislike of that series if they will try something similar, and therefore throw crap on the alien-franchise. Perhaps if they'll get enough of the characters right and keep the alien-ness of it, that might work but I’m afraid that it’ll be too much like Blade Runner. Honestly I'm more worried than excited, especially with Scott in it.
I don't think that a spin-off series would be bad because it gives you more free space so to speak, and not be tied to what came before. Try new things and see how it goes. My interest is bigger towards that, than if they would announce a third prequel.
You mention in 1) a number of questions. I’m not sure if those need to be answered, not that they are dumb questions, but because there need to be some mystery in the franchise. Without some mystery, the fun is gone. One of the fun things is to imagine what could have been. A lot of the times your own answers are better than what the movie gives (prequels is an example). Maybe some of them can be answered, but then you got to come up with new mysteries that are smart, interesting, and that make sense. The pathogen is a fascinating thing that was introduced, but I think that they should leave it alone, no answers given. Sometimes I wonder about its origins, how it works, what it could create and so on, but I really don’t need that to be answered because it gives you less to think about
“D) Some kind of NEW and Unconnected Alternative Story/Plot or a Reboot of Sorts.”
Of all the alternatives, this seems the most interesting to me. If you try to come up with new things, you expand the franchise and keep it alive. Try to avoid the same old, been there done that sort of.
“1) Some Engineered Organism by either David or the Engineers/Space Jockey or other Race.
2) Some Natural Organism that Exists in the Cosmos that the Engineers/Space Jockey had attempted to Re-Engineer and then David too.
3) Something that has a Viral Origin or where the Pathogen is shown to have come from and that its USE will always eventually lead to the Xenomorph.”
The only alternative that I dislike of those is that it's something that David has got to do with. It makes it too close to human activity. Don't let humans directly or indirectly be responsible for the Xeno. Alien Covenant sort of did this, and that was one of the most disappointing things in the franchise to me.
Scott was alright for saying that you got to come in with new things, unfortunately he decided to replace the monsters with android-babbling which was very disappointing.
“the Prequels had Big Ideas that were too BOLD for the Fans”
I don't think that the ideas is what the fans were against, for me at least. When you say that it, reads to me that the audience weren't smart enough. Just because you like a movie doesn't make you a professor. Obviously, I'm not aiming this at you personally, but it annoys me if someone would have that attitude just because they like a movie. My dislike was that there were too few characters to care for, and that it became about the androids.
Xenotaris
Well, reduce the role of the androids (not get rid of them totally). As far as the Xenos are concerned, try to add things to their family-tree. They don't need to be Xenos, but maybe (and hopefully) far related relatives. Let's take birds, there are different kinds of birds (you can take dogs as an example too) so why can't the same be used for the Xeno-family? I would rather see something new, or a new variation of something, than the same thing over and over again.
BD:
Oh, I honestly believe that many of the ideas in Prometheus especially were very interesting. Unfortunately, the way they were handled were clumsy. Yeah, only the first three had that character development, but many of the cut scenes would have improved that. They cut character-development for run-time, which to me is a no-no. If you have lame characters, you have a lame movie, no amount of interesting ideas can save that. AR was cartoonish
“The other Issue is that i dont think MANY of the Fanbase would want to see the Xenomorph relegated to a Lesser Role... The Ideas that RS had are simply to BIG and BOLD for a lot of the Fans who would prefer something more SIMPLE and POPCORN.”
It depends on the execution, you can make it a bit different and as far as I know many liked the Engineers. You have people that are traditional Xeno-ists, but I also think that there are people that would like to see expanded things, but probably not see it taken over by a disappointed android (that is where I stand). Some people like to see new ideas, but many got annoyed by the prequels being taken over by an android. To me that's a bigger problem, but I put that on Scott and Fox. Big and bold ideas? Many might found them interesting, but unfortunately the execution was poor, and it was too much about David. My point is that the fans are not to blame, but rather the execution and the focus of the movie.
They can have androids (say like David and Bishop) and cyborgs (let's take Robocop as an example), but they shouldn't be what the movie is about, because that's lame. Make them interesting and important to the story, but don't let them take over everything, like what happened in the prequels.
