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I think he said in an interview after Godzilla 2014 was released? I don't remember the source
where the evidence that proves edwards?
@Xeno
I don’t believe that, even though edwards said so. There’s too much evidence against that
Well technically MV Godzilla himself is a Dinosauromorph, so maybe Barugon could be one or a synapsid
What about rodan? So it wasn't flying reptile like Pterodan or something that evovled huge but lack of fire power
SasquaDash,
SarcasticGoji is spot on. Politics are only one facet of meaning a story can have. Even my examples with All Monsters Attack weren't political, not directly anyway. But they were certainly social. I'm sure if we dig far enough we can find some thread of importance Godzilla vs. Kong may or may not be trying to say. But that wasn't the point of the movie--theme wasn't the goal. The point was utter, mindless escapism.
Even if the movie was, "focused more on the mythology of it's world, linking it to real life legends," (and even that is suspect - what "real life legends," specifically?) the question is to what end? What does it all mean? What is it trying to say? Why is it relevant? And why should we care? While I certainly enjoyed the visual exploration of the Hollow Earth, it doesn't ring with any importance outside of expanding a world that may or may not continue.
At this point in the franchise, I simply need more and I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for more when films made on a budget of less the $1 million have found ways to say important things through neutered resources and absurd mandates. And frankly, for a long, long, exhausting list of reasons, I don't think that kind of exploration fits the Hollywood blockbuster vernacular very well.
They came from the hollow earth so they wouldn’t have evolved from dinos. I’m pretty sure baragon has a horn lazer.
I don’t know, that’s a question for a movie.
But how titans came exactly?
Like how they own thing exactly
if came from hallow earth or something else what made them huge and powerful with range attacks
Titans didn’t evolve from dinos, they’re there own thing
what???? that not what i asked at all
I think it’d be another Titan that attacks mainly through meelee
I mean like if Baragon does exist in MonsterVerse
what type of dinsoaur had evovled into Baragon, to gain size, shape and powers
I don’t agree... but okie.
Since the moon was destroyed in "Gorath", I slotted DaM as "before 1979". We need the moon for DaM and in my version it just says DaM takes place at the end of the century. I took as few liberties as possible...
And destroy all monsters is set in 1999
Is Tidal wave part of it?
Sorry, I have no idea why this page did that. Here it is again:
The Showa Era films I covered are:
Godzilla (1954)
The Invisible Avenger (1954)
Godzilla Raids Again (1955)
Half Human (1955)
Rodan (1956)
The Mysterians (1957)
The H-Man (1958)
Varan (1958)
Battle In Outer Space (1959)
The Secret of the Telegian (1960)
The Human Vapour (1960)
Mothra (1961)
The Last War (1961)
Gorath (1962)
King Kong vs Godzilla (1962)
Attack of the Mushroom People (1963)
Atragon (1963)
Godzilla vs the Thing (1964)
Dogora (1964)
Ghidorah the Three Headed Monster (1964)
Frankenstein Conquers the World (1965)
Monster Zero/Invasion of Astro-Monster (1965)
War of the Gargantuas (1966)
Godzilla vs the Sea Monster (1966)
King Kong Escapes (1967)
Son of Godzilla (1967)
Destroy All Monsters (1968)
Latitude Zero (1969)
Space Amoeba (1970)
Godzilla vs the Smog Monster (1971)
Godzilla vs Gigan (1972)
Godzilla vs Megalon (1973)
Tidal Wave (1973)
Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla (1974)
Prophecies of Nostradamus (1974)
ESPY (1974)
Terror of Mechagodzilla (1975)
The War In Space (1977)
I hope I didn't leave anything important out!
this is dumb
I'll reintroduce Kong next...hopefully
I though Godzilla represented Nature while Kong was basically Mankind, and MechaGodzilla was man's reckless to the environment
Yesssss!
I have been waiting for this
CHAPTER 17: ARISE
2 weeks ago
Vladivostok, Russia.
Inside an ARISE underground research facility. Deep within the catacombs of the russian complex inside a massive chamber was the preserved dorsal spine of a Pacific Godzilla. The russian science teams were constantly extracting flesh samples, learning more from these samples as they slowly began reverse engineering the weapon that killed this magnificent beast. Yuri Romanov oversaw the massive project, His brother Dimitri and Vladamir stood beside him. He invited them to his chambers over a glass of vodka, “So Yuri, how close are you in unlocking Dr. Serizawa’s secrets?” Dimitri asked. “Close, very close. Dimitri, soon the oxygen destroyer will belong to motherland” Yuri reassured his brother on the oxygen destroyer’s progress. “What about the sample? What are your plans, Yuri?” Vladimir asked. “Power. Genetic Power. Imagine if we could clone our own godzillas, imagine an army of godzillas loyal to the kremlin or better yet if we could splice Godzilla's power into ourselves, man and kaiju together as one” Yuri rambled. Vladimir and Dimitri burst out laughing, “I think all we need is the oxygen destroyer little brother” Vladimir laughed harder than Dimitri, “Little Yuri, you read too many science fiction novels” Dimitri points at his brother while laughing. “Make fun all you want but I have made significant progress in this field. My Japanese scientists have already learned how to revive the sample, my dear brothers”
Dimitri and Vladimir stopped laughing as they adopted a more serious expression, “Show us little brother,” Vladimir asked, “You better not be wasting our comrade primer’s money on this smoke and mirror….” But before Dimitri could finish his sentence, Yuri signalled his asian scientists to flip the power to the generators on. The power courses through the massive cables into the lump of flesh. The maple-leaf dorsal plate flashes a blinding blue light as it comes to life. BwumBwumBwumBwum, echoes in the sample chamber, pulsating with atomic energy. “Behold the power I possess brothers. I have done it, I have brought life to a dead God! Now…” he points at scientists giving them the signal shut down the power. “He is dead again,” Yuri smiled. Dimitri and Vladimir were speechless, Yuri turned around with a huge smug grin as he looked at his two brothers awaiting their response and hopefully their approval. “Brother show us more” Dimitri asked in an almost demanding tone. Yuri smiled as he led his two brothers to the labs.
There in the first labs they could large tanks full of bubbles. “This is my oxygen destroyer formula. New and improved compared to Dr. Daisuke Serizawa’s weapon” Yuri crossed his arms. “We already know of your accomplishments with the oxygen destroyer, we want to see how your other projects” Vladimir impatiently demanded. “Ah, you see the oxygen destroyer had an odd side-effect to some sea life. Follow me” Yuri lead then into another room filled with fish tanks. Bizarre red crustaceans swim around in their confined tanks. “Shrimp, Yuri?” Dimitri asked.
“Not just any old shrimp, these are Triops. Ancient crustaceans that have been on this earth since the carboniferous period” he glanced over to see his brothers were sporting annoyed expressions, “They’ve been altered by the oxygen destroyer, so you know…”
“You’ve already told us, brother. Who cares about a bunch of tadpole shrimp, we want to see godzilla” Dimitri demanded.
Yuri frowned before smiling again, “Without further delay” he pushed open the lab doors leading into a clean room. They adorn moonsuits before entering the chamber up ahead. The flesh of the lump was oddly not decaying as expected for something that died 57 years ago. The lump was constantly being sprayed with Liquid Nitrogen to keep the red triops from destroying the rest of the specimen. They could see the safe room where the japanese scientists fled into to escape from the deadly nuclear radiation. Yuri directed his brothers to enter the safe room, he signals his scientists to turn the dorsal plate back on.
Siberia, Russia. Godzilla was hunting alongside his mate, son, and daughter for a lesser Behemoth deep in the arctic circle. A faint sensation tingled his dorsal plates, Godzilla turned his gaze south-eastward, could it be? Godzilla turned his head to his mate, the female pacific godzilla nodded her head to him. Godzilla abandoned his search for food as he made his way south-east.
The severed dorsal spine screamed out a blood chilling howl, a startled Vladimir dropped his cigar, “Is that normal Yuri?” Yuri just smiled briefly, “Losing structural integrity, shall we abort the test!” Dr. Ristuko Yamane looks over at Yuri. Yuri nodded, “Shut it down, Dr. Yamane. I think my brothers seen enough” Dr. Yamane flips open a glass case and presses the remote off button on the generators. “Power is not shutting down!” she screamed. The dorsal plate on the sample began to break down as the rest of the flesh grew softer and bloated, the generators overheating before exploding into fire and smoke. It howls one last time before the sample explodes inside the chamber, covering it in a thick puke yellow biomass. The powered doors automatically open following their failsafe directives. “Is it dead Yuri?” Dimitri asked. A heart beat echoed within the chamber, “A heart beat? Strange the sample didn’t contain a heart?” Dr. Yamane commented. The yellow biomass grew thicker as the science team and romanov brothers wandered around the chamber. There they saw a massive pink heart-like structure beating, the rest of it was attached to the yellow biomass. Behind them the biomass begins to structure itself into a pair of embryonic eyes as it looks down on them. Dr. Yamane slowly turned her head up towards the staring eyes, “Its…” she started pointing at them, “Wants us” the biomass then shot down tendrils filled with the red triops to ensnare Dr. Yamane. She screams as she is then consumed into the biomass. The Romanov brothers stare off in horror as the silhouette of the woman is broken down until all that is left is her clothes. The biomass then collects the rest of them as it slowly rebuilds its body into a massive tadpole creature.
A week and a half after the incident (Five days before Battra’s rampage)
The russian spetsnaz are sent into the facility, they search the deep underground corridors. There were signs of fighting, but no bodies were found, only blood, guns, and spent ammo cases. Small kitten-sized tadpole shrimp scurry along the ground as the spetsnaz reach the labs. The massive tanks carrying the oxygen destroyer were destroyed however the formula was not and was stored in a large briefcase. The spetsnaz searched the briefcase, the contents were all there before the team leader gave the go ahead to retrieve and send to the helicopter. The rest of the spetsnaz team pushed on through to the next lab, the room was filled with broken fish tanks. The next door leads into a now dirty clean room with the door torn off its hinges. There they saw it, a massive tadpole-like creature was resting within the chamber. Yellow and pasty was its skin color, red and blue veins pulsate across its skin. Small maple-leaf dorsal plates run down its back, weak developing legs grow from its pelvic region, and a massive frilled shark head with lidless embryonic eyes rests on the safe room. “What the hell is that thing?” one of the spetsnaz asked as they slowly approached the organism. Behind them on the wall were dozens of vaguely human shaped creatures. Their alpha leaps down behind the spetsnaz team, they open fire into its body but it remains unmoved. The creature tall and spindly, maple-leaf shaped dorsal plates poked out of its back similarly to the big creature. Its body was feminine, its face was that of a twisted form of Dr. Yamane. Her eyes were completely egg white, devoid of anything human. The bullet wounds quickly heal up as she finishes off the remaining soldiers.
“We….live….once….more….” she was forced to speak like some kind of meat puppet. What little remains of her original self is forced to watch as she moves, eats, sleeps, and communicates by orders of the big creature.
The pilot names
NGE? Something seems familiar but I can’t exactly remember wut
That wasn’t Gman’s point. He didn’t state politics as the thing missing from GVK it was an example, and is a good one, because movies especially today focus on being politically correct. GVK is just meant to be fun. There is no hint at a real world meaning, Godzilla doesn’t represent something in it and neither does Kong.
Just because a movie decides to not focus on politics doesn't mean that it's dumb and has no substance. Meaning can come from different sources, it doesn't always need to relate to politics. In an age where political drama is constantly shoved down our throats, it's nice to see something that is focused on a different topic. The fact that the movie focused more on the mythology of it's world, linking it to real life legends is, honestly, a breath of fresh air, and even if the movie was just pure escapism, that's not nessasarily a bad thing...
Also, taking a single throwaway line from a scene and using it to judge the entire movie doesn't really feel fair to the movie or the filmmakers...
What did you think of the Super-X plot and the subtle NGE references?
Which is why I want a 3-hour MonsterVerse movie, to make a deep story. I want a more darker take in the MonsterVerse post-GVK.
Hooray!
and you beat the MonsterVerse in terms of human characters now....
EdCh,
Although I have no finite stance on the Anime Trilogy, I certainly agree with every word of your take. The films are very thought provoking and it's exciting to see filmmakers continue to use Godzilla for forms of trauma and experiment with the characters as something even further beyond our normal expectations.
SasquaDash,
That's certainly what happens in the movies, but that's not what they're about.
Even Adam Wingard said, "politics are out the window," for Godzilla vs. Kong. The movie has no real meaning--It isn't about anything. It's dumb escapism, amped up to 11. Which is fine, to an extent, but there's even a line in the movie where a character says, "It's so stupid," a moment of meta-realization that makes me question whether or not the filmmakers are laughing at or with the movie.
Certainly other Godzilla movies have gunned strictly for nonsense, but even then there's a trace amount of meaning, regardless of how forced. (Godzilla vs. Megalon's anti-nuclear lip service against nuclear testing accidentally starting a war, for example.) But there's just not much to come back to. A movie without something to say is less interesting to me and frankly All Monsters Attack has a lot more to say.
Yes, Ichiro makes friends with Minilla in his dreams. Yes, it's through stock footage. But why? Because All Monsters Attack is about the deconstruction of the Japanese nuclear family during an economically trying period.
In the late 60s, with everyone trying to move closer to the city for work, Japanese families were sandwiched into tiny padlock-esque living situations. (As seen in the movie.) Just to make rent, both parents were forced to work two jobs and children were forced to fend for themselves--Ala, every kid we see in the film.
Crime was effected by these conditions, so Ichiro's run-in with criminals was a commentary on that rise as well. The movie transforms into a somber coming of age tale about a child forced to take care of himself because economic conditions won't allow his parents to help him.
One of the saddest moments in the Godzilla series comes when Ichiro leaves his mother crying by the tail end of the film. (In one cut of the movie, this is the final shot before it fades to credits.) She's not crying because her son could've been killed. She's crying because he said he didn't need her. He's grown out of a need for her protection and she missed him coming of age because of the job she had to work. Forget "sad" moments like Godzilla dying, or Serizawa sacrificing his life to booster shot Godzilla with a nuke--This is real. This was, and is, a real moment that everyday people go through and it's gut-wrenching.
I suppose that's what All Monsters Attack comes down to. Ishiro Honda, director of the original film, directed this movie as a story he had always wanted to direct--A story about, "normal people in normal Japanese life." It's what he always wanted to do before being shoehorned into monster and sci-fi movies. Here he uses the Godzilla series for that opportunity. It's unique because there's no villainous monster attacking. No alien invasion. No secret organization. Nope, Godzilla is just a movie series for a kid escaping reality--Hence the stock footage.
With that, you could say All Monsters Attack gives even Godzilla vs. Kong some form of reason to exist.
I love MonsterVerse Godzilla and Kong as well
that makes sense
Yes either in the next chapter or the chapter after next since I'm going to reintroducing more Toho kaiju
Chris
Yeah, I saw these popping up, and decided to look into it more. They don’t annoy me, thanks for doing this and not just ads.
