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I think a Godzilla Simulator would be awesome
This article is AMAZING.
A Neomorph would be sweet to see yes, but imagine how terrifying a Trilobite would be... Also the manner in which a Trilobite is born is extremely complex. I don't see them having the same series of events play out as in Prometheus. Although could be fun just to throw into a game with no explanation simply because it would be terrifying.
And if ur interested here’s a link
@SarcasticGoji
That’s a pretty good point.
I don’t think that Dougherty ruined the themes completely. It’s never explained what radiation but we can assume Gamma ray because that is what Hollywood likes best. I don’t think it’s ruined because like a natural it can result in plentiful life. Take a look at pictures of Chernobyl today. Environmentalism tends to look beyond just humans and our fears, so even if humans died in a nuclear war, that doesn’t mean all life would.
Thank you for the compliments on the article, I worked really hard on it, so cool to see that you enjoy it.
I think it depends on what you consider as Canon, i think that with Comics, Novels and Games then a KING of Sorts could be Possible... as these Mediums have a Habit of Adjusting Lore to suit the Product.
We have to remember as far as Cinematically then the Xenomorph has gone through a Process of Change/Evolution to its Procreation and Origins.
ORIGINALLY we had O'Bannon come up with the STARBEAST from which the Xenomorph had started as. The Starbeast started as a Organism that required a 3rd Party to Procreate and act as HOSTS for their Face Hugger Stage. This Original Idea seemed to imply there is some Sexual Procreation that would Create a Egg and then Organism (Face Hugger) within the Egg/Spore would require a HOST to Gestate in.
This meant that INDEED their could be MALES.
However by the Time this Idea had Evolved to ALIEN then what we had was a Organism that would PROCREATE via EGG/SPORE MORPH and so the Xenomorph does-not Procreate in anyway related to Life on Earth, it would require a Organism/Host that it would Infect with DNA/Mutagen that would Transform that Host into a Egg/Spore. And so the Xenomorph was Asexual or simply has NO SEX.
But as the Egg Morph never made it into the Theatrical Release and then James Cameron came along and thought HOW can you get Eggs... where did they come FROM?
Then he came up with the QUEEN to lay the Eggs and essentially the Xenomorph became someone similar to how Hymenoptera Insects would Procreate. And so in this Context then i guess YES there could be MALE Xenomorphs and the Drone could be one Example.
If the Xenomorph is similar to say Ants then YES there Species could develop Various way of Procreating, and we cant rule out a KING.
But the Xenomorph is a ALIEN species and i think it would be LAME to have to make it be more like Insects, and so having MALE Xenomorphs that Fertilize the Queens Eggs would be a BIT LAME... I think having the Queen be able to Produce via Parthenogenesis works well and that SHE may be able to Modify some Eggs before they are Laid to become Drones instead of Warriors or maybe there is some other Explanation.
That does-not mean we cant RULE-OUT a King or similar but i just dont think we should be getting into that the King goes around Hive to Hive to Mate with Queens to Produce Eggs.... i think we could COME UP with another Method of HOW a KING can Procreate... maybe they could go around and TURN a Host into a Egg (Egg Morph)
The PREQUELS do Change things a LITTLE... but by showing us the Xenomorph is maybe a Engineered Organism or a Evolution caused as a Affect of the Black Goo then this means that a KING of sorts could either Genetically Evolve from the Pathogen... or could be Engineered.
I dont see the NEED for a KING... but its Creation is something thats just their for the WOW and COOL Factor.
Isn’t Vishnu a god in Hindu religion?
yeah this guy who was previously mentioned
I also find this article very well written.
I think it would be interesting to ask the what if question: What if Edwards, for example, had told all 3 stories?
I love this essay/article. Beautifully made and you got your points across.
I do not think that they will introduce unknown, original creatures, but I would like to see a neomorph and trilobite. And of course Engineers like ultimate SOB bosses.
I think its HARD to Judge Disney at the Moment as the Franchise has hit a QUAGMIRE after Alien Covenant and i think ANY other Studio would be Faced with the same Questions and Situations as to WHATS NEXT?
Its really Difficult to Continue with the Prequels and Satisfy everyone, but then if Disney Decides to say IGNORE the Prequels its a CASE of WHERE do they go Next?
I think to IGNORE the Prequels you will ONLY be able to give a Few More Xenomorph movies before the Beast becomes either STALE or it becomes a Starship Troopers.
I do think that down the Line we would see ONE of 3 things..
1) Around 2026 a Alternative ALIENS sequel.
2) Around 2029 we get a REBOOT of the Franchise.
3) Or we get a ALIEN sequel again in 2029.
I think IF we arrive at 2030 and we have NO MORE Movies or any TV shows within the ALIEN Franchise then maybe the Franchise on the Screen would be GONE.... maybe that could be for the Best though? (I say that in case any Future Attempts prove to be Flops then it could TARNISH the Franchise even more).
Well one thing for sure with the Xenomorph is that is is a LIMITED kind of Monster, and so when your making a Game then if they STICK with just our Standard Xenomorphs then all you would be Faced with is a Critter that can RUN FAST, Crawl up Walls and are Deadly at Close Quarters... YES a Face Hugger and Queen do add to some Difference in Attacks and Tactics.
But with a FPS and especially a more Team Based Multiple Player Experience, then introducing more Types of Enemies is what can give the Game more Longevity
And so WHAT the Prequels had Highlighted was the Potential to introduce more Threats... as YES it seems we could get Variants of Xenomorphs, but also other Creatures and with the Black Goo and seeing what can be Produced via Experiments with it then you have a GOOD CATALOGUE of Monsters to introduce into a GAME.
And so while we had seen the Hammerpede, Deacon and Neomorph i think the Black Goo is NOT just limited to those. The other things the Prequels introduced us to are the Engineers but also more about JUST how Deadly a Rogue A.I can be.
HOW they choose to give a Story behind how ELEMENTS from the Prequels will be introduced is anyone's GUESS. I would NOT go and expect a Watertight Story/Plot as the Main Purpose is purely FUN and Action.
But it will be interesting to see HOW they introduce such things.
Neat concept! It's sad that we haven't gotten a modern game like this as there is a TON of possibilities to make an incredible game. I made my own concept a while ago, though that one was more of an unofficial sequel to Godzilla PS4 and not as focused on the Monsterverse specifically.
I don't think the entire Monsterverse is void of themes. I leave that solely on the shoulders of Godzilla vs. Kong. (Although we could place that at Kong: Skull Island's feet as well, if star Samuel L. Jackson's talk show comments are anything to go on.) In fact it's very clear Edwards and Dougherty were aiming to do something with their movies.
Edwards even said, "Hopefully, you can watch this film and enjoy it as entertainment, but I personally like science fiction and fantasy when it has a little meaning behind it." [Source] And the fandom conveniently let Dougherty get away with gatekeeping when he said, "It wouldn't be a true Godzilla film if you didn't touch upon those things, otherwise you're just making a big dumb monster movie. There has to be a sprinkle of it, otherwise you're not being faithful to the original intent of the series. Anyone who thinks otherwise is not a true Godzilla fan." [Source]
The intent is certainly there, and I think the themes are there, but they are woefully problematic. In the case of Godzilla '14 and Godzilla: King of the Monsters, we have a character IP based on very specific Japanese trauma clashing with the sensibilities of a film industry based in a leading nuclear superpower.
I'll stick with the assessment that Godzilla '14 is, thusfar, the best American made Godzilla film and that it runs with that honor very far away from the other movies. But even it is problematic. Suddenly, Castle Bravo isn't the reason Godzilla wakes up, but an American military reaction to killing a potential threat. It's interesting that both the 2014 movie and 1998 movie either shift blame or intent when considering nuclear testing. In 1998 it's the French military's fault. In 2014, America was trying to save the world under the guise of nuclear tests.
The reason I take issue with this is because, like it or not, Godzilla is residual scar tissue of another country caused by America. The entire reason the character exists was to create an outlet for a people to process their fears, phobias and grief as a nation. So when the country that caused the grief takes that outlet and puts to screen a Japanese man, who lost his father to Nagasaki's bombing, willfully detonating a nuclear weapon to save the world, killing himself in the process, I'm left in complete shock at the tone deafness it took to execute it.
A country, that left another country scared from nuclear bombing (and by extension, testing), literally took the mascot of their atomic-phobia and turned it into a nuclear, superpower poster boy. That is a hard pill to swallow.
But let's ignore the bomb for a moment. Godzilla has been adapted to represent the transition of Japan into capitalism - the marketing that comes with it - the deconstruction of nuclear families - the Cold War - violent attacks on women - nationalism - Japan's pollution issue of the 1970s - the post-war world, etc. To quote Matt Frank, "the specifics of Godzilla’s creation and narrative relevance have been honed and modified and pushed by over half a century’s worth of cultural evolution, modification, and revolution unique to Japan. That’s why Japanese Godzilla movies hit differently, even when they struggle themselves, compared to the US-made Godzilla movies." [source]
So when Dougherty tries to make King of the Monsters about environmentalism, he's somewhat on the right track. But then he botches it with ideas of "Titans" triggering ecological growth via radiation--The very thing that poisoned and killed countless in the fiction of Godzilla and the reality that inspired it. Never mind the fact Dougherty also named an American military base Castle Bravo, an event that poisoned Japanese fisherman, killing one, and putting irradiated tuna on the market--All the fault of... American military.
The problem isn't how Godzilla does or does not represent aspects related to nuclear proliferation. The problem is that it spring boarded the character to represent so many half-century, post-war themes that he may be too... well... Japanese for other countries to nail.
Does this mean I think only the Japanese can do Godzilla right? No, I think some have done a pretty solid job in certain comics, particularly "The Half-Century War", "Legends" and aspects of "Rulers of Earth." I also think there have been some outstanding stories told by Hollywood in the genre: Cloverfield, Pacific Rim, Colossal--But I also think we have to consider the possibility that storytellers outside of Japan might have a harder time understanding the character as it clashes with American commercialism. Remember, this is the country where radioactive spiders give people super powers. In Japan, that concept would've transformed someone into an atomic terror.
As for assigning what each monster may or may not represent, I actually applaud the effort, but find that there's some projecting there. Which is fine. Lord knows many historians, including myself, have looked very deeply into these films. However, my issue there is that each of these monsters generally come from the "Hollow Earth" making it a catchall origin. Quite frankly, I think giving Godzilla, Rodan, Mothra and Kong identical origins limits what the monsters say about us. And that has always been a major component of these movies.
Looking at such a misfire, I suppose mindless, dumb fun is the best Godzilla for Hollywood. Nothing in Godzilla vs. Kong represents why I personally fell in love with the franchise, but I concede it's connecting with people better than something with more substance. I just hope it doesn't set a precedence for the genre.
This article is beautiful
It’s okie, I was just hoping for an opportunity to rant.
"Also before I clicked I was really hoping u were talking about the Music"
sorry for the confusion, I couldn't think of another title...
In a way, Yes,
This was a topic I feel needed some more attention, I had a lot to talk about and felt that there was too much to put in a single comment, so I thought that creating a new topic/discussion would be a better option.
Also, I like these ideas, but where are these themes applicable? And don’t Ghidorah and MechaG represent the same thing?
Also before I clicked I was really hoping u were talking about the Music
This was a response to comparisons of All Monsters Attack and GVK, isn’t it?
Is This Like All Real Or Is This Just Another Hoax Just To Think Others Into Believing It's Real?
I thought he kind of had a therapsid/synapsid look to him
Unpopular opinion, but I REALLY liked City on the Edge of Battle. Unlike most, I thought the Mechagodzilla City was really creative and the twist with the bilsaludos(sorry if I spelt it wrong) gave that evil Godzilla alien vibe from the showa era.
Hmmm, while I don't particularly like any of the designs, the Delgadosaurus looks like it would the most likely to appear in the monsterverse.
I kind of wish we got to see this thing fight Kong. It would have been really cool!
Love Scylla, she looks very Lovecraftian. :)
Baragon def would be a pre mammal of some sort. It has a very..... doglike(?) Face and big ears that aren't really seen in many, if any, reptiles.
well going off real world scientific evidence then yes, the earliest evidence of dinosauromorph is the Early Triassic but who knows maybe there may have been primitive dinosauromorphs in the permian at least in the monsterverse.
PS...
Dinosaurs are a type of dinosauromorph but not all dinosauromorphs were dinosaurs if you know what I mean.
how can you mistake hong kong for tokyo its explicitly mentioned that it hong kong
I confused what does send for audio description English mean?
for all Netflix users please before the show come sout in usa
Can you guys sebd request for audio description in english for Godzilla sigular point
I said there’s evidence against edwards. Godzilla is stated to have lived way before the dinosaurs.
I think he said in an interview after Godzilla 2014 was released? I don't remember the source
where the evidence that proves edwards?
@Xeno
I don’t believe that, even though edwards said so. There’s too much evidence against that
