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MemberLegendOct-30-2019 8:01 AMResident Evil 2 remake is a great example of bringing back an old game and making it fresh. It went much further than just updated graphics while keeping the vibe of the original.
Xenotaris
Member2KOct-30-2019 10:48 AMResident Evil 2 remake is not an old game that is a damn remake of an old game, poor example.
Resident Evil 2 Original was alot better than its shallow remake. Remake's Boss fights and level designs were not unique between the characters and scenarios. Take the William Birkin boss battles they were the exact same regardless if you played as Claire or Leon and regardless of scenario.
The William Birkin boss battles in the original were unique. as Claire your first battle with Birkin was underground underneath the Chief's office. As Leon your first boss battle with Birkin was on the underground train. Then there's the different Birkin battles between Scenario A and B, RE 2 Remake failed to do this so no Resident Evil 2 Remake IS NOT A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THIS.
Give me a digital release pf Resident Evil 2 (1997) over Resident Evil 2 (2019)
TheLazyFish
MemberRespectedOct-30-2019 10:52 AMI think another way is through mods, like with all the mods for Jurassic Park Trespasser, Jurassic Park Operation Genesis, Zoo Tycoon 2, etc. This way, the fans themselves keep it alive. I mean, why do you think so many people still play JPOG after so many years?
Xenotaris
Member2KOct-30-2019 10:57 AM Damn edit button is not working, sorry double posting head of time.
The Lickers weren't as scary in remake then they were in the original, also whats with the removal of the Giant Moth, Ivys, Giant Spiders, and the enhanced lickers?
I prefer the breather licker over the roaring lickers (which reminds me of those horrible RE movies)
The Super Tyrant just comes out of the blue in Remake, while in the original via scenario B there was a build up to how the Tyrant becomes the Super Tyrant.
Now sure the overall narrative story was improved in RE 2 remake but that still doesn't excuse the reason why the level designs and boss fights were severely lacking.
dk
MemberLegendOct-30-2019 11:10 AMMaybe nostalgia gets in the way. I downloaded RE2 a few years ago and it was horrifically pixilated with terrible voice acting. The tank controllers were effective back then but seem tedious now. It was the bomb in the '90s but the straight port just didn't age or play well.
Xenotaris
Member2KOct-30-2019 11:16 AMYes but the REMAKE is not an old game though. Capcom or peripherally a different company needs to do a resolution uplift. Also I like the tank controls and I didn't mind the voice acting in the original.
But to say RE 2 remake is preserving an old game is false, the remake is replacing the original all together. Yes you made some good points about the controls and pixilation but terrible level design and reused boss battles is what ruins RE 2 remake for me and its is why i still prefer the original RE 2.
Xenotaris
Member2KOct-30-2019 11:17 AMI'm sorry reused level design
dk
MemberLegendOct-30-2019 11:22 AMTerrible level design cuts both ways. The original had a lot of back tracking which padded game length- many games do/did that.
That said, the tank controllers were at their best when the quick 180 degree turn was in RE 3 and CVX imo. I ACTUALLY prefer the N64 mode where you move wherever yo point- no rotating.
If someone wants to play the original, they can do so. Doing a straight up remake with only updated graphics seems like a lazy cash grab imo.
dk
MemberLegendOct-30-2019 11:31 AMI think you may have missed what I meant- Remake was just that: remaking the original.
Xenotaris
Member2KOct-30-2019 12:22 PMYeah but the original was still better in regards of having unique boss fights depending on character and scenario. The remake was lazy, you fought the same boss fights regardless of character and regardless of scenario!
Xenotaris
Member2KOct-30-2019 12:24 PMThe two scenarios in Remake lacked the uniqueness of the original's Scenario A and B.
dk
MemberLegendOct-30-2019 12:33 PMI suppose will agree to disagree. I think the remake might entice the new generation to check out the original. I played the crap out of RE 2 and enjoyed it. The one thing that I miss is the static environments and POV changes- you would hear a ceature but couldn't see it until you walked forward and the POV changed. That was a true tension builder. I have very fond memories of RE 2 but sometimes revisiting things based on nostalgia isn't a good thing.
Generally, revamping older games can be good, but it also reminds me of movies. There seems to be a lack of originality so we end up with remakes and reboots that can dilute the original.
dk
MemberLegendOct-30-2019 12:56 PMI agree about the original A and B scenarios- Each was different enough with either character that we basically had 4 games in one. Some things you did could affect other scenarios so there was a lot of replay value. No argument there Xenotaris .
Xenotaris
Member2KOct-30-2019 9:01 PMRE 2 remake did retain the spirit of the classic Resident Evil which was awesome but yeah my main gripe with remake was the scenarios and their boss fights
Xenotaris
Member2KOct-30-2019 9:10 PMAnyways Half-Life 1 is still alive and well thanks to a healthy modding community
dk
MemberLegendOct-30-2019 9:14 PMThere was a HL1 remake on Steam that was awesome (I only watched) but that team never did the Zen levels from what I understand?
Xenotaris
Member2KOct-30-2019 11:46 PMOh yeah I own the Black Mesa, great mod and retail game.
But yeah Half-Life 1 mods were the best: They Hunger Trilogy, USS Darkstar, Cthulhu: An Unspeakable Horror Mod, Wanted!, Absolute Redemption, Afraid of Monsters, Master Sword, and Action Half-Life.
Also Gunman Chronicles which was a half-life mod turned into a licensed retail game.
dk
MemberLegendOct-30-2019 11:51 PMThere is a Portal Prequel out there too. I watched a let's play and it is very cool but the designer made it unforgivably difficult.
Xenotaris
Member2KOct-31-2019 2:17 AMYeah I think I played that one