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If Ash says deep cold, then why does Dallas seem to get excited when Ash says it. Dallas says, "Ah hah." Saying deep cold doesn't make sense- it isn't a scientific term. Sounds like that part of the script didn't make sense and they did a last minute change, maybe.

The question is, How long did the company at the time know about the ship and what other knowledge they have. I am sure at this time they had many ships out and about exploring...so what did they find?

So Scott is going to use what Cameron created, which is surprising to me since Scott did not like what Cameron did to the Alien...interesting. You know as humans, we always mess something up... "Hey...Look something cool looking, I am going to take this despite what those big ol aliens thingys said to me." Thus the story begins...

I was under the assumption that Ash joined them on Earth, Ripley asks Dallas how well did he know ash and Dallas replied he only knew so much. So, Ash was planted on Earth before they departed or from the planet they came from with the load. being that the ship was there pinging it's emergency beacon, did the company stumble upon it or will Prometheus answer that question. you have to wonder what role will those Androids play in Prometheus. Are they the villains other than Vickers (Theron). Nommi will be a droid prob..lol....but will be interesting to see.

Cain1977 - From the original movie Alien, Dallas talking to Ripley in corridor: "I shipped out three times before with the same science officer. Two days before we left Daedalus they replaced him with Ash."

I thought this discussion was about computer displays?

It was, but we're trying to pinpoint why the Nostromo might look older. It was a more beat-up spacefaring vehicle. A science vessel would probably be equipped with much better, maybe even cutting edge, technology.

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There was a similar issue with the Star Wars prequels in that computer displays and holograms were much more advanced in The Phantom Menace than they were in A New Hope some 30 years later.

I would assume that if this film pans out well, he will make it as Fox will see how much gumba they can make off this. They know alot of people will see the movie because of Scott and the Alien connection. if there is a sequel, will Scott leave us hanging at the end of this film?

Cain1977, that may very well be so, but on your point of there being a possible cliffhanger, if Fox think that it may bring low returns, then what of a resolution to that cliffhanger? The follow-up would have to be made surely? But Scott could really skew us and leave it hanging forever, which in a way would be perversely appealing in itself.

Well, If I had the power, I would def start after Aliens and restart the series from there to keep the story going and diminish 3 and four. It would be a chance to bring back the series and make it better and well, have a better plot. As for realistically doing a cliff hanger, he can keep this story going and run parallel to Alien, within the same universe. I am sure that the writer can run a story that runs along with Alien but not attached to Alien.

I know what you're saying, Jonesy. The Nostromo just "happened" to be out in the right spot at the right time. They swapped out the science officer w/ Ash and allowed it to "resume course" and pass through the sector their little treasure was sitting in. The Prometheus is presumably a science vessel so it would be top of the line. Even in Alien 3, once they become aware of the Queen gestating inside Ripley, they expedite the science team's trip, where in Aliens they said it would take 17 days for a rescue team to arrive once they were declared overdue.

We emailed FOX a couple months ago purposing a merchandise campaign in which we offered to make, produce and giveaway PROMETHEUS T-shirts and ball caps, but they turned down our purposal on grounds of copyright violations. They said that if we were to go ahead and create merchandise with their Prometheus logo in association with our site address that it would violate their intellectual property agreements. So as far as clothing merchandise goes, I would say none right now. As for novels, comics, etc... who knows. Probably won't see any of that untuil the movie is released or very close to the release date.

I know what you mean, and I thought the same thing, but here's my excuse: The Nostromo at the time of Alien (2122) is said to be about 20 years old making year of manufacture about 2102. Prometheus takes place 30 years before Alien in about 2092 so lets guess that the Prometheus ship has been recently constructed and is no more than 5 years old making date of manufacture about 2087. So lets say Prometheus (the spacecraft) is about 15 years older than The Nostromo. As the Prometheus mission is one of scientific exploration, I would expect the spacecraft to be of an extremely high specification and use the very latest technology of the time. The Nostromo was basically a truck in space so only needed the minimum tech to get by. Compare a vehicle built today for scientific exploration to the North Pole. Lets say its some kind of hi-tech all terrain snow mobile to carry and exploration team. Inside are all the very latest computers and scientific equipment. Now compare this to a road haulage truck built in 15 years time, I don't think it would alter vastly and change much from a truck built today. It may have a sat-nav but technology-wise would look quite low-tech compared to the North Pole vehicle in the way Nostromo would look to Prometheus. Do you see what I'm getting at?

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I'm the original Jonesy! you can be the one from Aliens!

Ash didn't say "deep cold" by the way. He said "deep coal."

Hey Grik, You know...I used to think Ash said "deep coal" as well. But years ago, I went back and read that section of the final script...and it reads as follows: ASH Rock, lava base. And cold... well below the centrigrade line. So, I think he does say "deep cold" in the film...not "deep coal". By the way, this post is intended to be informative and friendly, hopefully it's not too didactic. Peace, Neurion

Hey guys, Just to clarify, I think that the Weyland-Yutani Company is a great story device as well. Especially because when ALIEN was released in 1979…and in the ’70s, so many films featured “the government” as the “heavy” or villain…it was refreshing and fairly unique for a corporation to be an antagonist. However, I think that in the ALIEN series…the “Company” as the bad guys has been done to death. It was Weyland-Yutani with mineral ore in ALIEN, then again with Terraforming in ALIENS, and yet a third time with a mostly shut down smelting plant manned by criminals. Aren’t there any other companies…operating in space? Or how about smaller, privately owned space projects? After all…this is happening in the 2100s (I think…right?). Anyways, it just seems too connected, convenient, unrealistic, and “George Lucasy” to me. At least Lucas after first two BEST STAR WARS films (in my opinion). ~Neurion P.S. Ruhaniya…you crack me up! Haha

I think that Ridley Scott is moving to abandon the "ALIEN" mythos with "Prometheus". He hopes to utilize the then Original "Alien" feel and atmosphere to concieve something utterly diffrent in texture. Also he wants us to see more of this universe and its possible diversities (ala the "Star Wars" universe). If you look at the whole "Alien"franchise it kind of explains itself with "AVP" in part as prequel to explain how the Aliens were brought to earth by the "Predators" (from another franchise) for sport and the subsequent discovery by Weyland Yutani Corp. of their dormant (up to that point) existance in Alaska. "AVP Requiem" unfortunately added nothing beyond the previous film that was useful. thus the reboot idea was concocted by 20th Century Fox. Now Ridley liked what he did, but he can't see remaking it. And he would be right, the original was as close to a perfect piece of work as you can get and shouldnt be messed with further. We will see the "Alien creatures" again, but the Jockey and others will figure more prominently in this new story. We'll have to be patient and see Ridley's new original story when it arrives to the screen.

Perhaps this interview with Ridley Scott could help figure some things out: [url=http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45454]http://www.aintitcool.com/node/45454[/url] Some excerpts: -The prequel will go further into the world of terraforming and will focus on the realities of what it takes to leave for another planet. He mentioned the theory of Near Faster-Than-Light travel, which is complete science fiction at the moment; “Mr. Spock stuff” as he called it, rearranging matter essentially, but theoretically possible. “But what we’re allowed to do by movies is to cheat like hell. But I think the closer it is to the truth, the closer it is to the technological feasibility then it becomes that much more interesting. And if it’s a film like the one I’m going to do, then it becomes that much more frightening.” - On the Space Jockey: “I think beneath that carcass… it’s not a carcass, it’s a suit. Inside the suit is a being.” An interesting hint at to what he’s doing with the prequels, perhaps?

I think The Company should in involed in some way. We do know this film will feature androids, now maybe The Company does not know anything about the Jockey/Alien when they send PROMETHEUS out but when it all goes to hell for the crew like we know it is going to, mybe an android can escape and tell The Company what happand.

As for this movie, I think the real mystery lies with how the Space Jockeys interact with the humans and how the urns/capsules figure into all of this. I for one can't wait to see what new direction they take the series to in this movie and believe it will be just as terrifying as the original. Very interested in seeing how the Space Jockeys will interact with the humans, will they be benevolent or do they see humans as a threat? Just getting the chance to see a Space Jockey that's alive on film for the first time will be worth the price of the movie ticket for me!

Hey there Mr. Jonze! Welcome to the Prometheus Movie forums! If I am correct, I believe the Queen itself will NOT be featured in Prometheus for a few reasons; going by press release interviews and write-ups of the film already: [i]- The Queen was intriduced by James Cameron, not Ridley Scott and took the "ALIEN" in a new direction; one that Ridley Scott was not too fond of. Turning the Alien into more of a "bug" rather than a mysterious life form. - The plot of Prometheus is to revolve around the Space Jockey and dive into the discovery or creation of what lead up to the creation of the facehugger - as far as I know. - The Alien itself is said to be different, so the inclusion of an Alien Queen would not be expected.[/i] However, this topic could be taken in many ways, maybe the Queen itself is a genetic mutation of the Alien gene and is nature's way of breaking free from the Space Jockey's control in an attempt to preserve the species and grow. Even in a deleted scene in the first ALIEN, which Ridley Scott DID direct, it shows the Alien cocooning its victims. This could all be linked to the formation of the Queen and ultimately the Alien's way of adapting, thriving and growing. Many theories are floating about around this time regarding what will be explained, what will be introduced and what familiarities will we be exposed to, but the truth of the matter Jonze is that nobody knows for sure yet. But if we manage to get any answers we will be sure to post them up for you. Anyone else care to share a theory?

I do kind of agree with Ridley's assessment of the Queen Alien. Even though it was cool seeing something new and even more terrifying than just the alien drone in Aliens, I think the introduction of the Queen somewhat de-mystified the mysterious aspect that made the Alien so scary to begin with. As Praetorian mentioned, the deleted scene where Ripley finds Dallas and Brett coccooned in the bottom of the Nostromo really added more mystery to the Alien and was way more creepier than seeing the Queen Alien lay eggs to propogate the species. I think Ridley will go further back in this movie and show what came prior the Alien egg/facehugger. My guess this is where the urns/capsules will come into play. To answer your question Jonze, no I really doubt the Queen will appear in this film. Everything I've read thus far seems to suggest that what will appear in this film will be something entirely different and bigger than what we were introduced to in Alien. That and of course, the Space Jockey itself. Which I would be totally satisfied seeing just them on the big screen for the first time. June 8th can't come quick enough!

Neurion wrote "I hope that the new film PROMETHEUS makes no mention of The Company-Weyland Yutani " Not me - the Company seems in many ways the perfect counterpart to the ruthless collective that is the Alien strain. Ditto the cold-eyed monsters working for United Systems Military in 'Resurrection'. These characters chill me because they aren't so far from the toxicity to be found around (and above) us, more close to home than the fantastic grotesquerie of the Alien itself. Impressed and very excited by the leaked pics but can't see anything there that gives the film the scope alluded to in that recent leaked "Bring the wrath of the Gods to Earth" synopsis. Or am I missing something? R

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Dear “ASTROGLIDE”, Someone as opinionated as yourself, should really have THEIR facts straight before they criticize their intellectual superiors. Okay ASStro, let’s start with the location of the eggs. I have little doubt that the Space Jockey vessel did originally contain a cargo of alien eggs somewhere in it’s interiors, even though it is never shown in the original film. I say that the vessel landed or crashed, one way or another on it’s mountain top perch. The question is: Was the egg chamber previously prepared/ built or did the Space jockey(s) build it after their most recent arrival. Either way…something obviously went wrong and there was an Alien outbreak. Hence, the chestbursted Jockey. I am very aware of Derelict interiors as depicted in the original ALIEN film. I still hold that if a person has any sense of scale…they will ultimately conclude that the egg chamber is within the mountain or rock formation upon which the ship is sitting. If I were you, I would take a closer look at the scenes involving the Derelict ship in ALIEN and ALIENS. If you use your gray matter, you may notice that the ship in ALIENS has sustained further damage during 57 years...which was not due to a crash. The following corroborates my view that the Derelict may have originally landed normally (not crashed). ______________________________________________________________________________ An Excerpt from: THE BLOODY BEST OF FANGORIA f6. This essay, Cameron's reply to readers' letters on ALIENS, was addressed to the Communications department but is published here as part of the ongoing SF professionals' forum, Other Voices. By James Cameron "Why do the colonists not pick up the derelict SOS?" by which I assume he is referring to the acoustic beacon broadcasting a "warning." As some readers may know, scenes were filmed but cut from the final release version of the film which depicted the discovery of the derelict by a mom-and-pop geological survey (i.e.: prospecting) team. As scripted, they were given the general coordinates of its position by the manager of the colony, on orders from Carter Burke. It is not directly stated, but presumed, that Burke could only have gotten that information from Ripley or from the black-box flight recorder aboard the shuttle Narcissus, which accessed the Nostromo's on-board computer. When the Jordan family, including young Newt, reach the coordinates, they discover the derelict ship. Since we and the Nostromo crew last saw it, it has been damaged by volcanic activity, a lava flow having crushed it against a rock outcropping and ripped open its hull. Aside from considerations of visual interest, this serves as a justification for the acoustic beacon being non-operational.” _______________________________________________________________ So there you have it…right from Jimmy Cameron’s own keystrokes. By the way, if you slow down actually read my previous post, you will see that I was actually criticizing the idea of the “stolen Terraforming technology”. Dude, you really should “think” before you bark. It’s alright…I forgive you. Your post reveals you to be fairly immature and or ignorant. No worries…I can pardon youthful indiscretion. After all, I was probably watching ALIEN at Hollywood Egyptian Theater before your parents even met. You are my lucky star, Neurion P.S. I hope this post doesn’t come off as too hostile. It’s just that your response to me was soooo smart assy…I just couldn’t help it. Still friends in Alien?

I think everyone's ideas are cool. However, if you ever have read the comic Aliens: Apocalypse the Destroying Angels you'll get an idea of what the xeno may look like/be... Basically, its birthed out of a Mala'kak (Space Jockey) and develops into a gargantuan killing machine. It has a "bronze"color pigmentation, is rather bulky, and exists to kill. Overall body structure is the same (elongated head, inner jaw appendage, tail, etc.) except with a few variations, like shorter dorsal spines and a fringe structure on its upper jaw. It begins to slaughter other xenomorphs and its sheer size and movement causes a whole Mala'kak city structure to collapse. Supposedly, it has the ability to jump and climb structures, but its sheer size makes everthing else break apart in the process. So its kind of a concept of what the xeno may be...if it is a xeno, hopefully.....

More to my own comment I guess..... Well, all alien obsessed fans know that the xeno takes on some of the genetic traits of its host. An average adult male is about 5'8 or so in height. The xeno born out of a human host grows to about what..... 7 feet? So size wise, what would happen if it was born out of a Space Jockey? I'm not sure what the exact ratio on that is, but weight wise, it seems to double that of its host and gains a significant amount more height. In ALIEN, Kane was probably 5'8 or so, and like 140-150 lbs? The xeno is 300 lbs and 7 feet tall! Basically, weight doubled that of the host and height increased about a full foot. So back to the Jockey..... According to the comics/novels the being is about 8 to fifteen feet tall and has a good amount of mass too. Its a giant...... I'm guessing the xeno birthed out of that being is going to be anywhere from 15 or 20 feet tall, maybe more. Pretty much the size of a dinosaur or a queen. Instead of a graceful stalking horror its going to be a colossal terrorizing nightmare! But we won't really know until the movie premeires anyway. As far as for the "new" beast's traits, I think its going to have a more in your face attitude and just kill outright instead of disabling victims for impregnation like the creature in the previous 4 films. These things seem like they will be sentinnels rather than servants to a queen. Besides, its technically an earlier proto-type of xenomorph anyway. I guess the idea could be paralleled to prehistoric times. Earlier specimens or life on Earth in the past tended to be larger and possibly more ferocious anyway (precambrian creatures, dinosaurs etc.). It makes sense for this earlier type of xenomorph to be this way as well. Oh, and likely its going to be bio- engineered out of that green glop/precambrial soup by the space jockey or humans. This gives it a more "pure-bred" and superior genetic stock. So its a biological advantage and more of a test-tube type of creation. So humans and Space Jockeys want to create life, but instead end up creating monsters. The Jockeys ironically want to and can create life, but instead end up creating death intentionally or unintentionally through their own creations that cause their people to go nearly extinct (according to the comics) Wait, wait, I'm not finished yet. as far as the metaphorical parallel to Greek mythology (the Prometheus story). I guess everyone has figured this out alreday, but I'm going to say it anyway. The Prometheus space vessel/humans is the parallel to the titan of the myth. Its physically large and represents the humanity and its exploration/conquest of the galaxy. The stolen "fire" is the power of creation/terraforming, bioengineering etc. This power was stolen from the gods/Zeus on Mount olympus, they being paralled to the Space Jockey race. So the gods decide to punish the ambitious Prometheus by tying him up on a gallows and sending a giant vulture or eagle to eat at his entrails day after day (the process constantly repeating itself). So what does the vulture represent? The Space Jockies or Gods send out one of their creations to bring damnation/punishment upon humans (prometheus) and the galaxy. This punishment or creature is the new giant type of xenomorph or raptor (the giant vulture). The raptor tears out the entrails of Prometheus. The xenomorph inviscerates and makes hosts out of humans through chestbursters. So where is Mount Olympus? Most likely, the Alien homeworld. So will the titans climb up Mount Olympus and get into Zeus's domain? Again, I guess we will have to wait and see. So where is kratos when you need him? LOL. So, the process ofpunishment is repeated continuously and with momentum like the slien's life cycle and spread throughout the star systems. Thats my idea/opinion on it. Like evryone else on this site. can't wait! bLAH BLAH BLAH.

Hey there people, just dropping a line to say hello and introduce myself. Cant remember when i first saw the Alien films, but they and that universe have been part of my life for so long i cant imagine life without them. And, on a personal note i camt wait for this new film, even if Giger's iconic creatures are marginalised, it WILL lead to more trips into this universe. P.S. great site, and look forward to exchanging views with people both like minded and not.

Hi Rick - good stuff. I am all ears when learning more about the universe.

Maybe the Company didn't know what type of Alien they were sending the crew to investigate until Ash finds it. Then as soon as they identify the creature the company could seem to already be aware of its existence and potential for a bio-weapon. This could lead to the suggestion that Weyland-Yutani will be involved in Prometheus in some way. Maybe the film will show the first time the Company start getting involved with the Alien/Space Jockey scene. I have heard that Lance Henrikson is rumoured to be in it too. Not sure on how I feel about that. Don't get me wrong he is a great actor but lets move on.

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Any way you slice it…whether the Space Jockey crash landed or soft landed on the alien planetoid, “It” or they must have built the Egg Chamber/Hatchery under the derelict ship. It was obviously NOT part of the ship itself, given the vast size of the cavern. If you think the egg silo/chamber was part of the ship…I suggest that you watch the original 1979 ALIEN film again. Notice the scale and size of Dallas, Kane, and Lambert in comparison to the derelict ship and its entrance. Then notice the larger size and immensity of the egg cavern below the Jockey. The mechanical aspects of the egg chamber interiors suggest space jockey design...NOT Alien creature/hive design. So, whether the Space Jockey(s) crashed or landed, or were on their way to Earth or not…who knows? What the original ’79 film tells us is that they arrived there…built the egg chamber under their ship and that at least one of them died as a result of an alien chestbursting birth. As for the whole…on their way Earth to punish mankind for stealing their Terraforming machine or technology idea. I don’t mean to be a smart ass but…sounds pretty juvenile. Sounds like something my friends and I would have come up with in the theatre parking lot after seeing ALIEN back in ’79. Anyway, the Terraforming concept was a James Cameron addition in ALIENS. Given Ridley Scott’s sizable ego, I think it’s unlikely that he will use any narrative elements from other films of the franchise (other than his own). You know what? Since PROMETHEUS takes place decades before the original ALIEN film…Weyland Yutani Company. may not even exist yet. Hmmmm? ~Neurion

Any way you slice it…whether the Space Jockey crash landed or soft landed on the alien planetoid, “It” or they must have built the Egg Chamber/Hatchery under the derelict ship. It was obviously NOT part of the ship itself, given the vast size of the cavern. If you think the egg silo/chamber was part of the ship…I suggest that you watch the original 1979 ALIEN film again. Notice the scale and size of Dallas, Kane, and Lambert in comparison to the derelict ship and its entrance. Then notice the larger size and immensity of the egg cavern below the Jockey. The mechanical aspects of the egg chamber interiors suggest space jockey design...NOT Alien creature/hive design. So, whether the Space Jockey(s) crashed or landed, or were on their way to Earth or not…who knows? What the original ’79 film tells us is that they arrived there…built the egg chamber under their ship and that at least one of them died as a result of an alien chestbursting birth. As for the whole…on their way Earth to punish mankind for stealing their Terraforming machine or technology idea. I don’t mean to be a smart ass but…sounds pretty juvenile. Sounds like something my friends and I would have come up with in the theatre parking lot after seeing ALIEN back in ’79. Anyway, the Terraforming concept was a James Cameron addition in ALIENS. Given Ridley Scott’s sizable ego, I think it’s unlikely that he will use any narrative elements from other films of the franchise (other than his own). You know what? Since PROMETHEUS takes place decades before the original ALIEN film…Weyland Yutani Company. may not even exist yet. Hmmmm? ~Neurion

Neurion: What are you smoking. I'm all for new ideas but you are in bongland. You say, "whether the Space Jockey crash landed or soft landed on the alien planetoid, It or they must have built the Egg Chamber/Hatchery under the derelict ship. It was obviously NOT part of the ship itself, given the vast size of the cavern." Dude, listen to yourself..... In "Aliens" the ship was entered by the civilian salvage team through a rupture in the hull. Dosen't sound like any soft landing I've heard of. "Under the derelict ship?????? " Do your reaserch. The eggs were in the hull of the ship podbrain, not under the ship! The pods were being transported. Each bay, between the supporting ribs of the hull, were filled with eggs and the blue mist electronic system signaled any intrusion. I'm gonna stop before I get too rude. As for the whole…"on their way Earth to punish mankind for stealing their Terraforming machine", That hack script script synopsis is so bogus......The Company exists 30 years before, Ridley has said so, hmmmmmmmm!!Neurion, climb back into your hypersleep chamber. We'll wake you in about a year.

Personally, I feel it could work out with either rating. Going the way of PG-13 would ensure a lot of suspense, and yet the family can still have a good time! But the drawback of that would be lack of blood/gore....... which is trademark of the Alien canon. An R rated version would obviously be more graphic and we will actually see the cast get inviscerated instead of the camera pulling out at just the right moment in PG-13 restrictions by the new xenomorphs or whatever "it" will be in this movie. Regardless of the rating it will be a box office smash anyway. I just hope they show the Space Jockey. An R-rated cut would go straight to dvd if a PG-13 goes theatrical. Space Jockey! Space Jockey! Space Jockey! I WANT SPACE JOCKEY!!!!!!!

This is the exact reason why I ask the question. I think the majority of us, the hardcore fans, truly believe that it has to be an R rated film. not just because of the gore. Gore doesn't make a good film. The suspense and the whole experience just isn't suited to a younger audience. It needs to include very adult, harsh situations and we need to see the film without any censorship. PLEASE don't just make it for the 'wider' audience. We the fans, or the franchise itself don't need any more fans. Believe in the original concept, with the original director and the fans will come....