The reason the MCU can make solo films for obscure characters and why the MonsterVerse can’t.

Jack CapelliniThis is true for America, I can see a cinematic universe about Godzilla doing better in japan

Especially with the success of shin Godzilla and singular point with both appealing to the general public, it seems plausible

Wow, very nice assessment. 

so  very true

It's true I'm okay with that too.

@HinikunaGoji: I feel that Toho making a “World of Godzilla” cinematic universe is our best chance of getting Mothra and Rodan solo films. 

Observation:
While I'm not entirely sure I agree with Jack's assessment, I do think the MCU is in a unique position to do things other cinematic universes can not. After watching The Suicide Squad flop as hard as it did, (followed by titles like Birds of Prey) I don't think obscurity is bankable for WB.

If a movie has the Marvel logo, audiences flock to it. That's not the case for everything. A solo Mothra or Rodan movie, especially in the current climate blockbusters exist in, is financial suicide. I think Jack's nailed it about one thing though, if there's a chance for a solo film about those monsters it's coming from Toho.

Even then I don't think they have a great shot. As popular of a character as she is, the Mothra trilogy didn't do great business. (Though they were made on much smaller budgets than the Heisei and Millennium Godzilla films--Probably for the best.)

Hmmmm.....I don't know

I'm kinda in the mid here

Me too even though The Suicide Squad is a masterpiece

Also to offer my own take, I think the MCU is so successful that anyone will watch it and the critics will adore it no matter the actual quality (example: Captain Marvel) and Toho's monsters have more of that cult status and I think there's potential after the success of Godzilla Vs. Kong.  Unfortunately it's hard to tell given the current rights issue making it's future uncertain.

Also people have flocked to KOTM and GVK solely because Millie Bobby Brown was in it, which sort of repeats Gman's statement about Marvel: "If a movie has the Marvel logo, audiences flock to it."

That's all I have to offer for now, feel free to display your thoughts.

sonictiger

when referring to suicide squad I think it means 2016.

Oh well the 2021 version is amazing.

Also thoughts on the statement?

sonictiger

none, really. I’ve already voiced my thoughts up there

HinikunaGoji,
I was referring to 2021. It's a decent movie and all, but it's relatively obscure comic book material that has become one of the biggest financial flops of the year.

I think doing the same with obscure Toho IP would lead to similar results--Good movie or not.

DECENT?!?!?!? DECENT????? Anyhow, I would say if the movie doesn't have the title of Godzilla or Kong....Yeah, it could flop hard.  And I don't think moviegoers will fall for celeb-baiting for a third time since Millie Bobby Brown was wasted twice.

I already made an article on this, so I'll stop here.

sonictiger

Decent doesn’t mean bad. I just wouldn’t expect a superhero movie to be an artistic masterpiece. Though I didn’t go see it so I wouldn’t know.

And after researching Suicide Squad did flop. It only made back 14% of budget

HinikunaGoji,
It's made $166M world wide off a $185M budget. It hasn't even cleared its budget and still needs to make another $100M+ just to break even. It won't happen.

I fear a solo Monsterverse Rodan movie, for example, would be a similar bust.

Even if Rodan had celeb-baiting like KOTM and GVK, it would not work whatsoever.

sonictiger

GvK really didn’t Celeb bait, sure they had famous actors, but it was no where near the advertising of Millie Bobbie Brown for KOTM

What's annoying about KOTM is that sure Madison did stuff but WB forced the claim that she was the main character so far up our [REDACTED] that people were expecting that and then....we all know what happened.

The thing is, the fact that they were advertising Millie so much (due to name value) makes WB look more pathetic than they already are as they're basically saying that they have no faith in this movie being watched.  They went to insane degrees to push the fact that they had an insanely popular Emmy-Nominated actress in this movie about monsters beating the heck out of one another just because they're not sure how many US Godzilla fans are there and they don't know if casual viewers will care about the movie so they're basically bribing you to see it at this point.

Also, they basically set up Madison for a larger role but didn't even have the decency to follow through with that in Godzilla Vs. Kong.  So it was all basically a wasted effort on WB's part because they were claiming they were doing all this stuff with an insanely popular actress when in truth they weren't.

sonictiger,
That isn't the first time WB did this. Bryan Cranston is an infinitely bigger name than Millie Bobby Brown and he was advertised front and center as the main character for Godzilla '14. The ads and trailers made it look like Cranston was going to go up against a villainous Godzilla and we ended up getting something different.

To be fair, regardless of their quality, Godzilla vs. Kong and Kong: Skull Island were probably the two most honestly advertised of the Monsterverse.

Godzilla Vs. Kong advertised a bonkers battle and it gave us an absolutely bonkers battle.  Kong: Skull Island promised more screentime to the title character since Godzilla '14 failed to do so.

So yeah, you're right.  It's probably why I think GVK and KSI are the stronger films and G14 and KOTM are the weaker films.

sonictiger,
While I do think there's merit to how personal expectation is met based on how a film is advertised, I do not think marketing should be one of the variables used to judge a film's quality.

All I'm saying is, I usually feel a bit wronged when movies don't deliver what they promise in the marketing.

that's called false advertising

Yes, that's my point.

A movie with false advertising usually is deemed a failure.

sonictiger

A movie that is deemed a failure is a movie that doesn’t do well at the box office. 

Godzilla 14s advertising made Godzilla seem like a villain in the movie, but the movie preformed well and was still liked. So false advertising isn’t what constitutes a failure.

Anyone else remember seeing the G14 trailers in theaters.

I love Godzilla 2014, I only saw the initial trailer to Godzilla 2014 in theaters