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MemberOvomorphApr-27-2015 1:49 PMIt may look like it, however I believe that is simply a shadow and his skin. The elder engineers seem to have a more aged body, with thin withered skin and noticeable vains, like some elderly we see today. If they did have an infection, they would be in violant pain, like Holloway.
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MemberXenomorphApr-28-2015 1:48 AMThe First Child
Could be .
It's just too dark to be only shadows !!??
Dunno
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MemberPraetorianApr-28-2015 10:50 AMI think this simply repesents the Elder/Engineer equivalent of Peter Weyland. Their aging process, in other words.
Or, perhaps the Elder equivalent of dying is to gradually break down after an indeterminate amount of years, perhaps centuries, but not in the same way as the Sacrificial Engineer?
"Let The Cosmic Incubation Begin" ~ H.R. Giger
BigDave
MemberDeaconApr-28-2015 3:36 PMIts just how old they are and you can see through their skin and see the viens etc under it, it happens to Humans too.... that shot is also from a badly decoded video...
Here is a better shot...
Notice below our Engineer before he has consumed the Goo, you can see that his viens stand out a lot and have a purple colour to them, some parts its almost black... if you watch the scene closely before he consumes the substance you will notice what i mean.
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MemberDeaconApr-28-2015 3:40 PMHowever......
Maybe yes they could all be infected with some kind of parasite or mutagen that is slowly eating them away like Holloway but only slower... maybe this is what also happened to the Engineers on LV 223.
And so they had to sacrefice the one younger Engineer who is not infected so that eventually his Sacrifice would lead to a new Race in their image so they can live on....
The Dialect did say...
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MemberOvomorphApr-28-2015 4:30 PMAs I said before, extremely eldearly individuals tend to get skin spots and their veins pop out and become noticeable. I feel this is the same for the elder engineers. When you come to think about it, maybe this is why the last engineer lashed out the Prometheus crew. He was probably angered over the fact that his species could not achieve immortality and thus had to create other ungrateful and violent human species.
BigDave
MemberDeaconApr-28-2015 4:53 PMYes spot on First Child, just as i was saying....
Intresting point with "He was probably angered over the fact that his species could not achieve immortality and thus had to create other ungrateful and violent human species."
I did think that maybe in context with Ancient Religons... for example Angels to Mankind, and Iggi to Mankind (Annunaki Tale) that the Iggi/Angels or some of them became Jealous of Mankind... for example Fallen Angels, and would not bow down and worship Gods (Annunaki) new Creation Mankind
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MemberXenomorphApr-29-2015 12:52 AMThe first child
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He was probably angered over the fact that his species could not achieve immortality and thus had to create other ungrateful and violent human species
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Are you saying the engineers are creating life on other planets to stay alive ??
BigDave
Ok so they do look older then the sacrificial engineer. There is an age difference then.
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MemberXenomorphApr-29-2015 3:07 AMBigDave
Quote from text on script
".....their way back to us"
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Who is "their" referring to ??
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MemberOvomorphApr-29-2015 1:22 PMThey could be creating other species in order to stay alive, or maybe it is their task. This is my theory: The engineers were the first beings created in the universe. They were tasked by the creator to poppulate the universe using the deteriorating liquid. (Note that the liquid the Engineer consumes in the begging of the film is different from the black liguid.) After creating many disobediant species, not realizing that a long long time ago they too were disobedient, they start forsaking God and killing and remaking their creatons. This rebellion probably happended when humanity was created. They probably saw this as the ultimate smack in the face and thus went to destroy them. The possible explanation for the cave painting is that some engineers stayed loyal to God and wanted to teach humanity. Thus expalining the whole gods and titans concept. What hapended in the temples on LV-223 was probably divine intervention or nasty karma.
BigDave
MemberDeaconApr-29-2015 3:15 PMOduodu
That is a tricky one... maybe when we consider Shaw thought the signs was a invitation, maybe at one point it was.... for some Reason this scene showed the Engineers created life on Worlds for some purpose that benefited thier kind in future... how come and why? Well that could be a whole massive debate in itself.
As far as your question to The First Child
"Are you saying the engineers are creating life on other planets to stay alive ??"
This may be possible, their is some huge importance to what these Engineers was doing if we take the Full Elder Scene and Dialog, the same as the Engineer Speaks to David Scene also.... The movie set up to show us some Grand Scale Venture... that may noe be tonned down to something sinister and simple...
Shame to a degree, as some things The First Child put in his last post are some of the things that the movie led me towards too...
Sadly we have to throw all that out, Ridley and Fox have dont a U-Turn on who these Engineers are, and as your post about "Ok so they do look older then the sacrificial engineer. There is an age difference then."
Yes that appears to had been the case... but no more.. i doubt we would see any Elders and if we did they would look more like the Engineers, i feel the old and frail look is something that Fox and Ridley have changed their minds on.
The biggest shame is we have not even scratched the surface of what was shot in Prometheus..... WE HAVE NOT seen the Full Elder Scene.... because the full one, and i dont mean the one on the Furious Gods Extras .. but their is another Full one because the Actor who played the Sacrificial Engineer had to learn a few Lines in Alien Dialect between himself and a Elder Engineer.... we have not seen that footage.
Also Fassbender had to learn a lot of pages of Dialect and so there is a chance that the Engineer Speaks Scene may have been longer than even the deleted Scenes...
There really is a lot that was worked on and then scrapped right before shooting and also a lot that was shot and then scrapped in this movie... and i mean it seems A LOT
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MemberOvomorphApr-29-2015 5:12 PMI too believe it would a shame to scratch All the ideas from Prometheus. The trilogy or two movies should be about discovery and finding both good and evil in the galaxy. I believe that trying to make the Engineers like the Xenomorphs is a wrong path. Each species is unique and they both don't have to be horror icons, we have enough of those. What would make the most sense is an Engineer civil war and what truly influenced the engineers to fight? There desire to rule the Galaxy, or another force?
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MemberXenomorphApr-30-2015 1:50 AM
Apparently Ridley wanted the engineers to be modelled after a cross between the Stautue of Liberty The Michangelo Statue and Elvis Pressley
here are some art work ?? for Prometheus I think depicting an elder engineer
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MemberXenomorphApr-30-2015 1:55 AMBigDave & TheFirstChild
Well I cetainly hope their is more footage to show and yes hope that a lot of the ideas from Prometheus will make it into later movies !!
Maybe they are keeping it hidden somewhere for re releases.
BigDave
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There really is a lot that was worked on and then scrapped right before shooting and also a lot that was shot and then scrapped in this movie... and i mean it seems A LOT
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Definitely agree - had that feeling right from the start - its the why the wherefore and the extent to which it was done concerns me and who decided it.
BigDave
MemberDeaconApr-30-2015 8:17 AM"Well I cetainly hope their is more footage to show and yes hope that a lot of the ideas from Prometheus will make it into later movies !!"
Sadly i dont think this is the case, the movie had gone from some Ancient Race who for some reason created life on Worlds for some great purpose that was of great importance to them, and visited and upgraded us and taught us stuff.... A movie that was kind of a link to Ancient Greek Titans and Mankind, Anunnaki and Mankind... and the middle beings that being Angels and Iggi and maybe Olympians. Losely however...
But seems they are going away from this, "No more Gods" as Ridley said... and so the Engineers are being tonned down, the ideas changed... before and from that Art work that was a Story Board to the movie... it showed that there was a great deal of Sadness and Pain in the opening Scene, that the Engineer Elders did not wish to have to Sacrifice their own... but it has to be done.. for this Sacrifice is of a great importance that is far greater than that of themselves as individuals.
Ridley said this scene was a Good Bye, and a Ritual Event and that he likened it to Ancient Mayans, who would Sacrifice one of their own to a Volcano to the Gods so that the whole Tribe would benefit from a better Harvest the next year.... And that it was a great honour for the Sacrificial Victim.. who would be remembered for their Sacrifice and they would be treated as a King for the Year before the Sacrifice....
Maybe this is why Vickers "a King has his reign and then he dies" qoute was placed in the Trailer of the Engineer looking at his Arm, just before the Infection took place.
But sadly this aspect is looking like it is dropped and our Engineers are just Cloned Meat Bags who are expendable and serve a variety of Purposes for some greater Agenda....
This is why a lot of scenes was cut.... and also Elders because they are going to be replaced with something else.... well thats what the clues seem to be pointing to.
As far as the other footage goes, maybe i need find a thread thats already open to add them to as to save making another
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