does alien 5 mean no tie in to alien for prometheus ?

No... Why would it mean that?

As far as we can suppose, Blomkamp's new film will probably take place after Aliens, in the very least. Who knows, it might even be a sequel to Alien Resurrection (though that'd be weird because of Hicks).

It can't intersect with the timeline of the Prometheus saga, which happens BEFORE even the first Alien movie.

If Hicks is brought back, and events carry one from the Sulaco, I'm wondering if we would see the return of Newt. Much older of course.

A3 will be a Cryo Dream. A4 an abomination way in the future and I predict the Sulaco goes off course and a problem with the Cryo tubes causes Hick's Ripley and Newt to age normally but remain alive. They will awake to Alien 5.

I hope they dont go for the Cryo Dream.... nope that would be lazy and i think they should keep all movies Canon...

We have to remember that the latest news is that Fox liked the concept work and some ideas of Niel Komkamp, and that does not mean seeing Ripley and Hicks.... what i mean is have a look at Spaights Prometheus draft then Lindeloffs they keep some same ideas but some are dropped....

This could be the case here, i.e the new kind of Face Huger, the Genetic Experiments on the Xeno, the Xeno-esque bio suit that Ripley is wearing.... as opposed to bringing Ripley and Hicks back...

The other news is that Ridley is onboard and that the movie is taking some ideas from the Colonal Marines Game, and that is most likely a attempt to salvage what is left of the Derelict after the destruction of Hadleys Hope.

As far as Prometheus 2 goes, Ridley wants to go away from the experiment and events that link the Xeno Eggs, LV 426 and LV 223 and the Goo, but concentrate on other applications of the Goo and maybe what else these Engineers and their creators have been upto.

Which leaves a Alien 5 to maybe unearth some clues and connections to the Xeno and its DNA.

The only way i would like to see the movie is NO RIPLEY NO HICKS....

Unless.... somehow the Company tried to infect the Ripley, Newt and Hicks, with the Xeno Eggs, but this did not go to plan....  maybe they had optained a sample of Ripleys DNA, and Cloned her  but why if she not carrying Xeno DNA.

Somekind of Back Story to explain a purpose infection with the intention of  using Fury 161 as a breeding ground for the Bio Weapon, their hope that the crew would get infected and produce a Queen, however, things went to pop when the Face Hugers did not do their job and infected a Dog/Bull but did leave Ripley with a Queen Embryo would make more sense.

Maybe bringing back Morse, and have him bump into a Ripley and then go like... how the F are you alive and he explain Fury 161, in which Ripley then realises she is a clone or they sent a clone to Fury 161.

Then have it that Ripley finds out about the company have recovered the Derelict and are reverse Engineering its Tech and have salvaged some Eggs not damaged and are conducting experiments on them..

Ripley then sets off to put a stop to this....

This shows their somehow was two Ripleys, and that the one Ripley has spent 30 odd years thinking she had escaped the horrors of LV 426.. only to be lied to once again.

How they would explain Newt and Hicks would be a dilema, unless all 3 was cloned? or that the company insiders lie to one Ripley about Newts death and dont see the body or a body in such a state it can not be identified...  

While the other Ripley is shown a Newt that can be, but a Hicks that can not be..

I think something along those lines has to work better than a Alien 3 and Alien R are just dreams...

As far as Prometheus 3...

We can not be sure what they are doing yet, would Paradise End in a way that leaves the Door open to explain the Xeno in a 3rd movie or left a Mystrey and leave door open to explore the Engineers and other creations in a different franchise... that wont directly tie with Alien due to being the other side of the Galaxy... pretty much like how Mankind and Earth ties in with Caprica from the Battle Star Galactica Universe.

The comics went to try explain some events from Prometheus but only as a potential for what the experiments and Xeno and Goo could lead to, it is not to be considered Canon because of the Predator connection at present.

Their is a lot of holes in the franchise that have to be answered... main one is not the Xeno or Space Jockey that can be left Mystrey.

But the what becomes of LV 223 and its secrets by the time of Aliens-Alien R

Cloning and dreaming are way too predictable these days. So I am going to suggest a completely different approach. In all the alien films, and i mean just the films, no one actually knows what happens when xenos capture someone. What if someone is captured and duplicated. I am going down the Invasion of the body snatchers route here. What if  an organisms is captured and slowly assimilated and then transmitted to be reborn in the xeno universe. Taken a step further if the process is interrupted at the right time, maybe you can end up with duplicates..

Just a thought.

@Batchpool  I like your thinking. Not a "straightforward" clone story but something more.  There could be connections between the stories. Yes, the "it's all a cryo sleep dream" approach is far too cliche & predictable.  That's why, imo, Alien: Resurrection shouldn't end up "all a dream" or a memory we forget... There could be another reason for the dream visor tech, going deeper into genetic instinct/"survival skills" and manipulation of the mind.  The subconscious could factor into things, but it would be through the company manipulating subconscious emotional states in a number of unseen ways.  David watched Shaw's dreams because he wanted to know absolutely everything about how the employees think (as hinted in the Weyland-Yutani files), so they use a bunch of psychological/neuro-linguistic "tricks" to influence employees' behaviours in subtle ways.  Ripley 8 lost memory when they cloned her.  It may be hard to completely clone the mind: Ripley 8 only remembered Newt in dreams & Nightmares, she needed to be taught how to speak English again.  That might be a reason Weyland never considers cloning to make himself immortal.  Maybe bio-mechanical clone hybrids that can rapidly regenerate cells are more up Weyland's alley; all his memories & experiences are then intact when he gets back..

Well i did think the aparatus to trick the mind to comming back to life.. i.e the one they used on the Engineer Head, combined with the Visor could leave a possible way to activate a persons brain even after Death and then Capture their Memories and then somehow transplant this into a new Body.

But those ideas you have posted are interesting....

I my self find on one side the idea that someone in the company had a Android hidden on the Sulaco and somehow thats how the Eggs got on board, and maybe they then managed to clone Ripley as a possible way for a Alien 5, but what we get is the problem of how did the Ripley that was cloned be that Alien 3 one or Alien 5, have all her memories. 

I guess overtime they could come back a bit, but that took a while in Alien R and yet in Alien 3 Ripley knew who she was from day one...

So the cloned route does not make sense to me, and i would like it avoided.

The other logical step would be that Alien 3 was a dream, but then how do we explain how Ripley looks aged?  We could say Cryo Sleep Failure, or that Ripley has simply had a new life, with the Xeno gone and done..

But one day she finds out that the company had actually recovered the Derelict and although the Eggs had been damaged beyond repair they had managed to optain DNA from the Derelict and the company are conducting experiments..

We could then go to Ripley in shock at this news, and wanting to put a stop to it, well saying she wants to speak to those behind it..

Then she goes to sleep and has nightmares, and in one we can show few scenes of Alien 3 and have the moment she falls into the Furnace, grabbing the Chest Buster Queen as it is breaking through her chest..

Ripley then  wakes up holding her chest, realises it was a dream but then realises from this that the company can not have any DNA of the Xeno at all.... 

She then goes in persuit of stopping it... but at the end she ends up being infected with Xeno DNA or a Queen Face Huger and then she kills herself in a similar way as to Alien 3..

This then leads to Alien Resurection...

This i feel is the most logical way...

But ideally..... RIPLEY IS DEAD....

Only other way would be a Alien 5 set many years after Alien Resurection and one in which the Juggernaught David and Shaw was on finally turns up in a part of the Galaxy that mankind is able to get to.... or some other Xeno DNA connected to LV 223...

And once again a aged Ripley who is say 100+ years older than in Alien Resurection, is then determined to put a stop to this new Xeno related threat.

Ideally i am all up for a movie set between Aliens and Alien 3, but one that does not have our Ripley in the movie..

Looking at Alien through to Resurrection, there seems on the face of it very little opportunity to fit in something different. Until of course you look at what could have happened between Alien and Aliens.

What if Ripley had been picked up previously by the company and experimented on. The result of the experiment could be a Ripley hybrid that was engineered to contain a Queen from the word go and was placed back onboard the escape pod from the Nostromo to be picked up by a deep space salvage team.

A3 opens up on the premise that a facehugger had got at the sleeping pods of the EEV  Hicks body was smashed to bits, so there was not much to identify him. So was that Hicks in the EEV. When Bishop accesses the Sulacos’ data, was that really the Sulacos’ data.This now leads me to the idea that Ripley is a hybrid.

In Resurrection we know that tissue samples of Ripley were collected, but it had taken various attempts to get a decent version of Ripley. And what did they extract from this Ripley? a Queen.. Hope you are with me so far on this.

While it is possible to change the perspective of Ripley though Aliens and on to Resurrection, the problem now remains of what happened to the real Ripley?

Here’s one scenario. Maybe Ripley and Hicks have met before and perhaps this leads to either of them coming along to rescue the other. Maybe, in an attempt to alter things on the Sulaco?

Looking at Blomkamps artwork and a picture of the derelict I am going to take a bold step and predict that Some one is in cryo sleep in the derelict and that the derelict can survive a nuclear blast. Maybe whoever is asleep in the cryo chambers in the derelict has been waiting for someone to return to a scene, a trick picked up from an engineer..

I think there are lots of unexplored avenues once you look at what could have happened between Alien and Aliens. I will leave you with my last idea which would be a very powerful scene if done. Suppose in having to get hold of a hybrid Ripley, you have to have Ripley chestbursting through the real Ripley.

Looking at the Alien Franchise we are led to the Blast on LV 426 Eliminated the Derelict and the Xeno Hive on Hadleys Hope.

Alien 3 takes off with them showing some how a Egg got on board the Sulaco... but things dont seem to add up to how this could have happened...  The Queen did not have any Eggs with her but could she had laid the Eggs?

This cant be ruled out as we dont know if she lays Eggs as a Small Egg or something that starts small and the Sack that was attached is just to help these Eggs Grow inside i.e she dont lay full size Eggs...  This would explain how the Eggs could got on board.

The only other way is that somehow some was taken on board the Sulaco, now Bishop was the only one to had left the rest of the Humans on LV 426 for some time.

Anyway it never quite added up, was bit inconsistant...

Alien Resurection anyway led us to that the only way to obtain a Xeno was via Ripleys DNA, that must been got from Fury 161 when she was infected? or could it...

A potential idea could fall into place to explain such a event....  their is a potential that the company had managed to obtain Xeno Eggs from LV 426 during he Sulacos mission. We have to assume the Eggs can not be activated by Androids for this.

Thus Ripley could had been infected on purpose by Bishops placing of Eggs on the Sulaco, or maybe a hidden Android... their would be good reason Bishop wanted the 3 humans safe, if his mission was to make sure they survive for hosts to Xeno Life Forms.

Is the Ripley from Alien a Clone? maybe...?

One things for sure the company could have faked the fire on the Sulaco, to launch the escape pod to Fury 161 that was infected by Face Hugers so they can use the Prisoners on the secluded Fury 161 as test subjects for Xeno Life Forms...

This would make sense....

Another chance to use a Ripley Clone could be what if when she was recovered from the Narcissus maybe they cloned her then?  And the Ripley from a Alien 5 is the one who never went to LV 426?

Who knows.. myself i would leave her out of it..

A way of doing a Alien 5 between Aliens and Alien 3 would be a mission to LV 426 to recover the Derelict, but we have seen the Xeno done and dusted, we need something different.

I would maybe have them only discover a few Eggs that are to be salvaged, or none...

But either way be that re-engineer or study the DNA from the Eggs/Face Huger or use DNA they find to then create a slightly different type of Organism would be a good way to go.

one that does not have to have Ripley or Hicks in it at all....

The news we got so far does not sugest Sigourney  has been cast.. rumours are she would be interested in doing a Alien movie again.. but thats not to say she would be cast, Guy Pearce had said he would be interested in being in another Prometheus movie.. this does not mean he would be cast.

The basis so far for the movie seems that Fox was interested and liked some of the concept work and ideas that Komkamp had, and also the ideas the Colonal Marines Game had as far as the salvage of the Derelict after Aliens.

Only other idea i could have would be that the movie is a true Alien 5..

Set after Alien Resurection, and where we find out that Ripley's DNA is going through some changes, her Human Cells start to decay and age.... remember Ripley was grown as a Clone and one that was like fully Adult, maybe as a result she could start to Age fast...

Then her Xeno DNA kicks in to basically prevent her from dying but what it does is mutates her, so she kind of evolves into something similar to the Ripley Space Jockey in Komkamps Artwork....  so she basically changes from Human Form to a more Xeno DNA form, pretty much like Sil from Species.

Or she wants to become Human and she has some experiments done to replace her Xeno DNA with Human Cells, this does its job but it ages her, or the movie is set many years after Alien Resurection...

But the Scientists who try to replace her Xeno DNA with Human, have taken Xeno DNA samples and then they proceed to experiment with it...

From a non Sci fi perspective, the only other possible option of getting a Ripley, would be if she had a twin sister. I can't really see people buying into that though.

I do like the idea if Ripley changing from human form. I could see Blomkamp going for something like that.

I'm thinking Blomkamp will include a bunch of ideas that have been mentioned above. Sort of like a hybrid of ideas + bio-mechanical ideas.  We know Blomkamp loves his bio-mechanical concepts, merging man with 'the machine' and so on; so to me there's a clear possibility he will be the first to explore the bio-mechanical nature of the organism itself.  When David found the Green goo, he may have found something very interesting.  Perhaps he finds clusters of nano-technology inside and neglects to tell Weyland corp for many years.  Ash found the creature so fascinating because he was looking past the cellular level, through the microscope.  Big things could have very small beginnings.  So, there could definitely be connections between Paradise and Blomkamp's movie/the series in general, if we find out more about bio-mechanics & genetic engineering.  Even if Blomkamp's story erases our collective memories of Alien 3/Resurrection. Kinda like the time an android consciousness deleted all Weyland's files in the old comics...

While its great fun trying to work out what directions any storylines  follow, one of the best things to happen in the great scheme of things is to have Ridley Scott involved as an executive producer. I think what we could end up with overall is a movie from Scott that gives us the engineers back history and a deeper exploration and development for the Prometheus story, which despite some fan criticism has carved out its own niche. On the flip side of this we should get what will probably be an Alien movie which has the potential right now to tick the boxes for those who felt Prometheus fell short of doing. I think the end result will be to have something that ties everything in,  and having the right people on board, which appears to be the case  certainly strengthens my enthusiasm and anticipation for a project that comes across as pretty awesome.

Totally agree! There are plenty of ways it can all be connected.  It most likely will end up connected in some way, since Ridley is involved.  Once upon a time Ridley and Cameron talked about doing Alien 5 together (but then AVP was released so they abandoned those ideas in favour of the prequel ideas). So I think Ridley is able to work with other directors' visions for the universe and can come to agreements over the life-cycle etc.  Having Hicks back would make James Cameron happy; his plan for Alien 3 was to have Hicks and Ripley explore giant skeletons, i.e. the space jockey.  ALIENS would still be part of things. This project might not technically be Alien 5, since Resurrection & ALIEN 3 may be erased, but maybe Ridley will resurrect some old ideas, and can bring his own ideas to the story as well.   

@CarynDelacroix

I felt that Blomkamps ideas was well flogging a dead cow, or milking it, it seemed good on paper as a alternative story like we have with so many Books based off say Star Wars.. And so a Graphic Novel would have been great.

But to go the route of having it made into a Movie? 

But alas it seems Ridley and Fox are happy with the ideas, which is odd if they was not keen on Spaights Prometheus draft being too Alieny.... Ridley said no more Dragons, but this is what is going on... ok he may mean that as far as a Prometheus 2....

But there are some neat ideas in Blomkamps work, and we need something fresh and new, and the experiments on the Xeno DNA to produce different Face Hugers is a interesting one.

But then we see a Queen so how does altering the DNA still lead to a traditional Queen? The only way is if they obtained the Xeno Eggs or a specimen and experimented on its DNA to create something new, but their is also the old Organism that makes a appearence.

Could the company then be trying to do what the Engineers did, this could give some clues to Prometheus/Aliens link...  if these Engineers found and experimented on the Xeno, but at first they got infected by some and they then decided to send away the rest of the Cargo to another place.

I am not sure how they are going to pull this new movie off with the inconsistances and potential incontinuity problems as far as Ripley and Hicks Age, and Alien 3 and Alien R

But then the same is said with the incontinuity problems etc left behind from Prometheus..

I fear that while we hope for the dots to be connected, all we look like getting is a mish mash of ideas with no incontinuity taken into consideration.

Alien 3 -- Alien R tied up a lot of stuff..... Prometheus then oppened up a can of worms so to speak.. i can explain what i mean if you want.

And by now going the route of Alien 5 could do the same, unless Alien 3 and R are ignored and they in Alien 5 come up with some reasons for LV 223 and LV 426

As generally Alien 3 and R showed us that Fury 161 and Ripleys DNA was the only means the company could get their hands on the Xeno DNA.

This would surely assume...

LV 426 is wasted, or what ever they did next ended up being a failure.

And LV 223 also likewise wasted and a failure....

And so from both places they can no longer obtain Xeno DNA apart from finding out about Ripley and the events of Alien 3...

We have to also go with that they do not hear back of David 8 or when they do, he also has no Engineer Tech or at very least Xeno DNA to harvest...

Of course these incontinuities can be adressed if we ignore Alien 3 and R which show us that at that time the only Xeno Lifeform is on Fury 161 and other inside Ripley.

Maybe thats the plan, beacuse they could then go with Prometheus 2 and 3 and Alien 5 movie and show that indeed the company can still obtain Xeno DNA from LV 426 or LV 223.

The bottom line is i dont want to see ANOTHER ALIEN MOVIE....

Not in the sense that we have seen the Xeno used in Games, Books, Comics and Movies after Aliens....

i.e Xeno Egg-->Face Huger--> Xeno Queen etc.

I dont mind seeing that, but i want some fresh ideas, Alien R was trying to show us that with Hybrids....

So i want to see some tampering with Xeno DNA, not only to produce new kinds of Xeno, but maybe Human/Xeno Hyrbrids as opposed to Hosts for Face Hugers...

And some of Komkamps ideas seem to go that route, including also the Egg Morph or similar route...

I felt what Prometheus was doing with the Hammerpedes and Deacon was interesting, and it would have been nice to know what was next as far as the Life Cycle of those compared to the Alien Xeno.

There is another, less drastic way of bringing back Ripley while still leaving Alien 3 and (unfortunately) Alien 4 as canon. The events of Alien 3 happen as is except the last part. In the scene where Ripley wants the prisoner to kill her with the pipe, in the film he swings it down and hits the bars next to Ripley's head. 

What if, he actually does hit her and instaed of killing her it just knocks her unconsious. Of course, the prisoner thinks he as killed her and whilst in a coma she dreams the rest. (Fox could do an edit of Alien 3 and cut the scene as the prisoner raises the pipe to hit her.)

The Weyland Yutani operatives arrive and take the unconscious Ripley, leaving the prisoners to die at the hands of the alien.

The operatives take blood samples from her before successfully removing the alien without killing her. They contain the alien for study and experaments. Ripley eventually wakes from her coma, clutching her chest after dreaming about falling into the furnace. That's how Alien 5 could start while keeping most of Alien 3 intact.

Let the mocking commence :D

@ Necronom 4

I think that is a really interesting idea. If Ripley was still alive but held by the company, one little issue comes to mind given what we know about Prometheus. Was Ripley pregnant?  And I don’t just mean the queen.

Yes something like that could work...

Only problem would be Hicks, but we do not know if he would be cast..

so far seems Fox likes some of the ideas that Komkamp had, and Ridley too and the group are getting together to make a movie, and as far as Ripley goes, it is likely she will make a appearence but as for Hicks?

Who knows..

What i am saying is take Spaights draft there was some interesting ideas in that, that made it to Prometheus while others was left out after Lindeloff came in to re-write it.

Prometheus 2 had a draft by Paglen, where he apparently had some interesting ideas, but Fox and Ridley got Green in to change and add stuff to it, and since then they have made a number of changes so as that the Original Idea by Paglen has changed at least 18 times.

So just because the Alien 5 has been given a Green Light does not mean it would be 100% the same as what Komkamp has done, it could be near enough! Or it could have some elements from it...

A interesting note is that Fox likes his ideas but also those from the Colonal Marines Game..

gustavo

thing is know p2 will get made but will the tie in materialize if alien 5 keeps ridley busy for production of alien 5 ??