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MemberOvomorphAug-04-2012 10:32 AMThis "Deacon" creature, CANNOT be a proto-Xenomorph as the eggs found on the Derelict ship in Alien were possible there for thousands of years. Hence - THEY were the original xeno's/xeno eggs, and this Deacon creature is merely a biproduct of the same mutating goo. This is why it shares similarities with a Xenomorph, but it can't possible be a proto version. . .
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Sky
MemberOvomorphAug-04-2012 11:58 AMIf they wish to make more movies, this could be the creature that was on the wall of the temple. Doesn't look like complete xeno queen, definitely something different.
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MemberOvomorphAug-04-2012 12:36 PMAgreed Sky! I think that the "Deacon" creature is just a kind of, other "sub species" of Xenomorph. It is connected with the traditional Xeno's, but it isn't a proto species.
joeyjoe
MemberOvomorphAug-04-2012 1:09 PM@ OP: im inclined to agree with the fundamental point you are making (deacon is NOT a proto-xeno). this particular issue has been discussed ad nauseam on here and has never been properly resolved (though i think most people agree with us). In addition to your point regarding the xeno eggs in the derelict on LV 426 etc., we must also recognize the evidence that has been incorporated into prometheus itself. The ampule chamber contains murals/reliefs that depict quite a few interesting pieces. 1) mural that depicts, what appears to be, a xenomorph hand that is holding a traditional xenomorph egg (the egg has flowered and is clearly completely opened up etc.). 2) The relief depicts humanoid figures being used as hosts for facehuggers (these facehuggers are almost identical to the traditional facehuggers in the first 3 movies (the design is an early giger design). 3) The xeno that is depicted with out-stretched arms on the bas relief looks more like the traditional xeno than the deacon (obviously this one is a bit subjective. It could be either or neither). The hips and the chest bones look more like the xeno from alien than the deacon. Anyways, as you said, there is a cornucopia of evidence that suggests the deacon is not a proto-xeno . I think the deacon is somewhat of a genetic bastard that came into existence due to a chance set of circumstances (and, imo, is most certainly NOT a queen).
edit: just to clarify, im not suggesting that the deacon is completely unrelated to the traditional xeno (clearly there is genetic similarity). Im just saying that the evidence suggests the deacon is a kind of genetic bastard cousin that post-dates the traditional xeno.
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MemberOvomorphAug-04-2012 1:12 PMYeah I agree it's definitly not some kind of Xeno Queen or the single being repsonsible for the formation of the Xenomorph species. I think it's simply a collection of different DNA+mutating black goo. Although I heard someone mention, what would happen to the Deacon if it came into contact with the goo (that obviously mutated those little worms into those reptillian snake things). . .
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MemberOvomorphAug-04-2012 6:55 PMI also don't believe that the deacon creature has anything directly to do with the xeno we are more familiar with...just a kind of variation.
I definitely won't sit here and write how I know what the deacon is or is supposed to be, but after a few viewings of the movie and some chat with friends, I came to this(questionable) conclusion.
In the beginning of the movie, the engineer drinks the liquid and then dissolves. His dna is reconsituted and new life is formed as a result. Now they don't tell us in the movie how life then evolves from there, but I would think that our common understanding of evolution still applies. Is it the engineers dna that becomes the basis for all life, plant and animal or just mammalian life? I would like to know the answer to that.
Moving on. Shaw is incapable of having children. Holloway drinks the tainted drink becomes infected and then has sex with shaw. If Holloways sperm are also affected by the tainted drink, could the squiddy thing just be a sperm that has been affected by the goo? I'm drawing a parrallel between the worms affected by the goo and Holloways sperm being affected. Is squiddy just a goo affected sperm? The only problem I see with this is that shaw cuts an embilicle cord from the creature, if I remember right, and that would suggest that there was a fertilized egg that had attached to the uterin wall. I don't know, maybe I'm over thinking this.
So anyway...you have a sperm affected by the goo that grows into sqiddy. The goo has modified the sperm to be a life form that can reproduce in a way. Squiddy is partially goo and holloway. Then squiddy impregnates the engineer who is similar to the sacrificial engineer, but has a seemingly biomecanically modified body...the suit he wears. Finally the deakon is born. The deacon in the end being a kind of human/engineer hybrid with characteristics partially defined by the engineers suit....definitely not a xeno, but reminiscent....especially if the goo somehow relates to the commonly known xeno.
Thoughts?
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ZMAN3494
MemberOvomorphAug-04-2012 8:17 PM@Nrlfetmefan........
I think you are exactly right and bring up excellent points.
Specifically you bring up a good point about the umbilical cord. I have always thought that meant, like you mentioned, that sqiddy or also referred to as Cuddles was the result of Holloway's sperm + Shaw egg. Not just being a mutated sperm. Now I could be wrong but just because Shaw wasn't able to have children doesn't mean she doesn't have the ability to have eggs? It also could be similar too how the black goo some how revived Fifield and so the black goo some how made Shaw able to have Cuddles. However, it is never clear whether Fifield was ever killed in the temple or not.
So it is definitely a good debate whether or not Shaw still has the black goo inside her or it was just in Holloway and his mutated sperm simply passed through Shaw.
shambs
MemberOvomorphAug-05-2012 1:46 AMI agree with everyone on the fact that Deacon is not a prototype, in fact it is very likely that the aliens are monsters old and according to the Scott words...the Derelict from LV-426 is stuck for a long time. Based on this I think that the urns are a safer way to transport the weapon to avoid what happened in LV-426.
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MemberOvomorphAug-05-2012 9:03 AMThe Internet is an amazing thing...
There is a type of pregnancy called a molar pregnancy where no egg has been fertilized. A placenta grows, but without a fetus. There's a lot more to it if you google the details.
Maybe cuddles is a result of just holloways mutated sperm after all. OR!... Was the weird little wiggley thing in holloways eye actually cuddles? Did it just happen to make it into shaw through sexual intercourse? The little thing in his eye was kinda wiggley after all...
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MemberOvomorphAug-05-2012 10:51 AMGood points fellow fans! I personally wanna see what would happen to the Deacon after it contacts the mutating black goo! IF anything would happen to it, seeing as on a DNA level, it contains the black goo in its genes. . .
BigDave
MemberDeaconAug-05-2012 3:40 PMHaving looked at the Mural and also taking into account the Deacon and mainly the concept work, i think that the Mural shows the Deacon.
As far as Shaw goes people who can not have children does not mean that they have no Eggs, there are many problems that prevent them from having babies but they still have Eggs, the Black Goo infected Sperm of Holoway may have been able to fertilize one of these Eggs.
Ridley and Lindelof said this movie is where Mommy meets Daddy and also about the Progenitor.
Then again Ridley also suggested the Derelict on LV 426 had been there for thousands of years and the Mural also has Face Huggers.
Are they giving us a Read Herring? if so which element is the Read Herring?
So we have to assume that yes the Deacon is not what the Xenos evolve from but indeed a Evolution of the Xeno. But i guess we wont know for certain until after all 3 movies have been done.
As far as the connection with the Xeno, well i believe that the Urns contain a substance that contains broken down Xeno DNA and the Goo was created via a similar process that happened to the Sacrificial Engineer. I thus do not think the Goo he drank from is the same as whats in the Urns.
My theory is that LV 223 was used to keep some specimens of Xeno or Face Hugger which the Engineers ran experiments on and eventually use the same Goo the Sacrificial Engineer had taken, to break down the Xeno DNA so it can then be stored within the Urns.
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ZMAN3494
MemberOvomorphAug-05-2012 3:57 PM@Nrlfetmefan............ [quote]OR!... Was the weird little wiggley thing in holloways eye actually cuddles? Did it just happen to make it into shaw through sexual intercourse? The little thing in his eye was kinda wiggley after all.../quote]
That definitely could be. I never even thought of that before. You have given me even more to think about now.
@BigDave.............. [quote]My theory is that LV 223 was used to keep some specimens of Xeno or Face Hugger which the Engineers ran experiments on and eventually use the same Goo the Sacrificial Engineer had taken, to break down the Xeno DNA so it can then be stored within the Urns.
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Excellent theory. I don't know if thats exactly right, but that is along the same lines of what I think.
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