PROTO-XENO-QUEEN how its linked to the aliens

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DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY ANSWERS????????????????????????

(so confused)

@Ravager, The Alien Queen; Give people a few minutes, It takes time to get answers. Waiting is the best part, makes getting answers even more awesome! :)

Hello! I took sometime to look up some links for you in the search option! Click links below! -Freeze! [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/8703]Queen Deacon...[/url] [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/8555]The Deacon's Physiology...[/url] [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/8655]Will The Deacon go back to temples,cocooning any engineer(s) into an egg like Brett & Dallas?...[/url]

It rubs the motion on its skin!

If it does turn out to be THE alien queen seen in alien or the Queen to the Queen, then how does it get over to LV-426 from LV-223? Hitch a ride in a space ship? Did it stow away? Or lay in wait? Perhaps 'She' encounters other Bio Engineers in cryo-sleep awakes one via acid for blood if it were to develop, secrete resins from its mouth to turn it into a prot-parasite egg then find another Bio Engineer in cryo-sleep and await for the egg to finish its developmenet, hatch and attach itself lay its embryo and await for it to then develop and be 'born' from within the Bio Engineer. Who knows, these ones could be the glimps of the females, if any. Or maybe thats why the alien xenomorph has this asexual trait because being hybrids from Bio Enginneers whom have become unisex themselves or unisex because they became infertile and it was the lesser of two evils.

It will be something to do with goo. [i]"Goo. Does it [u]all![/u]..."[/i] [tm].

I think the Deacon is a typical proto-design that has yet to have matured into a viable weapon system... Their maybe a mural of it... but really what does that mean? And to think that the Engineer's symbolism would translate into something human could understand... without a knowledge of their culture... I have my doubts...

when one considers the events/information in both prometheus and alien, it becomes clear that all the evidence at our disposal points to the notion that the traditional xenomorph (found in the first 3 films) in fact pre-dates the "deacon", not the other way around. The notion of the deacon as a "proto-xeno" has very little evidence to back it up. I think the only reason why people immediately jump to call the deacon a "proto-xeno" is 1) some media outlets have called it such (but the media is just repeating what some fans have said) and 2) much of what happens in prometheus takes place prior to the events of alien. However, we should remember that the juggernaut on LV 426 has been there for millenia (scott himself has emphasized the fact that the ship has been laying there for eons). The ship that has been laying there on LV 426 contains eggs. We know this particular egg produces traditional xenos when its contents infects a human host. Also, the ampule room in prometheus contains engineer artwork that depicts traditional eggs, facehuggers (with very slight physiological variations from the one in alien, but essentially the same), humanoids being exposed to facehuggers, some type of xenomorph that more closely resembles the traditional xeno than the "deacon", and a xeno hand/arm that looks almost identical (if not completely analogous) to the xeno found in alien, aliens, and alien 3. Point being...It appears that we are to view the deacon as a form of bio weapon that post-dates the xenos found in the first three movies. Its quite possible that the ampules are an improved upon (from the eggs) delivery method for the bioweapon that may be more stable than the eggs etc. Also, it seems like the deacon is presented as a sort of bastard blend of genetic information that was never supposed to exist (after all, the engineers certainly never planned on being hosts for their own bio-weapons). I think the deacon is a perpendicular tangent (biologically speaking) that has broken off from the original xeno bio-chronology by way of accidental events. Looks to me like the deacon is a newer, more evolved (look at the various forms of source DNA present within the deacon) form of xenomorph/bioweapon. Should be interesting to see how this new evolution impacts future events should the deacon be in any future movies (given R scotts's comments, i kinda doubt that it will though).

My thoughts lead me to think that maybe the eggs on LV426 were a result of another deacon. Just because the eggs were in an electronically covered nest does not mean the engeineers placed them there. The urns my be what was originally on the derelict. The ship has been on LV426 for roughly 2000 years. The incident on LV226 happened in the same time frame. Maybe the same thing happened with the black goo and the engineer on the derelict left while already impregnated. Lands on LV426 before a deacon chest bursts him. The hole in the chest of the engineer in the original Alien is much bigger than the one a normal Xeno makes. Maybe a queen deacon chest bursts him and lays the eggs in the chamber where the urns were kept covered. I would assume when not underground in the climate controlled temples, the urns would leak like they did in Prometheus when the temperature changed, or even freeze if to cold, making the black goo no good for use. That would be disaster for the engineer or engineers on board. So the nest was to keep the urns at the correct temp. The deacon found the best spot temperature wise and layed the eggs there, it just so happened to be climate controlled. The deacon is more than capable of moving the urns out of its way. Let me know if this sounds like a possibility.

@videojoe: Scott has been pretty clear (interviews) about the fact that the engineer in the juggernaut on LV 426 was piloting a craft with a specific cargo for a specific purpose. Cargo=eggs. purpose= bioweapons. Although much of the back story is vague and unknown, those two pieces appear to be set in stone.

@ Videojoe - check out the OP in [url=http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7023]THIS THREAD[/url] for a another and possibly more plausible version of events, that take into account the FACTS that joeyjoe just informed you of

@Ravager I posted this after another forum question on this site. It might be of interest to you, or confuse you more, or just be food for thought. In a sequel, I'd like to see a bit more of how the Enginners are connected to the Xenos, i.e. more details on how these Engineers created the Xenos, or how they discovered them, used them... In Giger art piece Hieroglyphics for the first Alien movie: [img]http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/3/20287.jpg[/img] We can see the Xeno life cycle, with the Engineers actually present. Egg, facehugger, host (which seems to be an Engineer), and chestburster are all present. What's interesting and peculiar is the Xeno-and-slightly-human figure at the top of the image. Its body and limbs surround the protrait, and it or she is laying the egg in question. Could this be the first type of Xeno Queen? It would be interesting if they explored this in future films. Also, I have some books at home which mention that the Enginners created the Xenos and their Queen as weapons of destruction and creation. But the Xenos here are described as first generation, with characteristics of Human, Xeno and Engineer species (a mixture of organic, humanoid and biomechanical). The books refer to Giger's art piece Li II: [img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_7sXAMK-UMaM/TUHEpuBSF3I/AAAAAAAAALU/Bhk7pNMG2QU/s1600/li_ii.jpg[/img] They refer to it as a possible representation of the very first Xeno Queen, with characteristics of all species (which are in fact one species). It's beautiful, yet eerie! I might post more later. Cheers!

I was thinking the same thing if the deacon as they called it now its the xenomorph alien queen was the same think it connected the dots so im saying it is!

Very nice write-up by joeyjoe. A few thoughts: "The notion of the deacon as a "proto-xeno" has very little evidence to back it up" - I agree completely, and in fact the Deacon may be a more deadly organism than the original xeno as it potentially possesses a greater capacity for higher thought. "It appears that we are to view the deacon as a form of bio weapon that post-dates the xenos found in the first three movies. Its quite possible that the ampules are an improved upon (from the eggs) delivery method for the bioweapon that may be more stable than the eggs" - Yep, the urns don't require a statis field, just some form of environmental control that is partially provided by the urn's itself. Still, the bleeding out of the urn during the events of Prometheus suggests that they still require some form of specific environment conditions to remain stable. "Just because the eggs were in an electronically covered nest does not mean the engeineers placed them there" - This comes up a lot but the problem is that it suggests that the xeno which emerged from the Space Jockey was intelligent enough to activate the stasis field. It's not an impossible scenario- just that the behavioral trend witnessed in ALIEN - ALIEN3 suggests otherwise. In addition, Scott has suggested (on video) that the eggs were in fact a form of weapons cargo. I think at this stage, we can all safely accept this aspect as canon. "after all, the engineers certainly never planned on being hosts for their own bio-weapons" - There is no evidence that the humanoids depicted in any of the murals related to either ALIEN or Prometheus are not the engineers. In the original ALIEN lifecycle mural, the victim is physically identical to the engineer overseeing the ritual- right down the space suit. =)

Maybe the deacon is an in-between stage of the xeno life cycle and we have yet to be introduced to a few more gestations or incarnations before the more familiar hints of the xeno we are familiar with begin to make their prescence known to us. This gestation of the life-cycle may play-out over succeding films. It would be interesting to see the genisis of one thing to another reveal a next-stage which in itself reveals the next-stage which in-turn takes us up close and personal to the first origins of the xeno life form. It just may take a series of events that get set in motion as did occur in Prometheus with the Black Substance to the infection of Holloway to the infestation/ impregnation/ gestation within Shaw to the intrusion of the Engineer into events to the alien squid creatures parasitic attack and infestation of the Engineer until finally we wind up with the birthing of The Deacon and endless speculation ever-after.

Weird...am I the only one who thinks there are 2 Engineers in that one frame, one standing by helping the face hugger infect his companion? He has his hand on one of the flaps of the egg (almost as if he's helping it to open, aware of the "process" and what will happen next) while the face hugger jumps out of the egg AWAY FROM the Engineer with his hand on the top of the egg and impregnating his companion. Or is it the same Engineer throughout (just ONE Engineer in the "story board"): [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-ATiLr6QvQP4/UDJbL201mhI/AAAAAAAAAZM/uIAk7GKkpdI/s1600/engineerhelping.png[/img]

is the decon/proto-xeno a queen?? if so, how does it end up like the aliens??? thats some major differences there!!!!! thoughts??? how do you get the eggs out of something the SJ's ''manufactured''????? if it is a queen anyway? ===================== I don't think the Deacon Alien has anything to do with the ALIEN movies that follow. I don't think it is a queen. Meaning, I don't think it had anything to do with the Derelict on LV-426 where Kane got implanted with the chestburster. I don't think the Deacon Alien laid those eggs. I don't think it was ever on LV-426. I think it remained on LV-223. Now, Ridley Scott might develop that further, but I don't think the Deacon Alien will intersect with ALIEN, ALIENS, ALIEN 3, etc. This is just my opinion, of course.

I think the Deacon is just an individual being. It could be how the aliens turned out, it could be that this particular breed is a one off. The Goo remember reacts differently to different subjects. it is entirely possible that placed in another host and anothe life cycle it would come out as something completely different again and so on. The xenomorph we know could just be one of a thousand possibllities offered by the goo passed down through different test subjects, remember alien 3? it passed through a dog (or a cow if you watch the much better assembly cut) and its piping and limbs were vastly different and already was half grown as the deacon was. I think this is merely a tease...if im a betting lass id like to see a few slightly different "deacons" passed through many different species, imagine the possibilities.....

"...it is entirely possible that placed in another host and anothe life cycle it would come out as something completely different again and so on..." So if another crew came to the same planet, the sequence would or would not go like this? man infected mates with lover lover removes "Cuddles" Cuddles grows huge Cuddles impregnates Engineer Engineer gives birth to Deacon Would the Deaon look like the one at the end of Prometheus? If it does, then is the DNA actually MIXING with ours? What if: Cuddles infected Shaw? Would Shaw give "birth" to a Deacon Alien that looks just the one that burst from the Engineer at the end of Prometheus? Or would it be something much different looking?

In other words: G = goo M = Man W = Woman C = Cuddles E = Engineer D = Deacon Alien G + M + W = C C + E = D What about: C + W = ??? C + M = ??? Also, can this happen? E + W = ???