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MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 4:22 AMSo I've seen the movie 3 times and it's beyond amazing! But. . . After watching Alien just now aswell. What is the reasoning behind the Engineers on the crashed derelict from Alien wanting to use eggs instead of the ampules?? My guess is they finally perfected the ultimate weapon, hence wouldn't need the death goo??
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spacyfreak
MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 4:35 AMI think the derelict on LV-426 lied there for thousands of years, and the cargo is just an "outdated version" of weapons, like if you would take a bomber plane from 2nd world war.
It must not have been on its way to earth when it crashed on that moon, we dont know what was the target.
Maybe it crashed there before mankind was on the surface of earth, as its fossilized (though other people say it wasnt, that was just a brief analysis of the captain of nostromo, but i dont want to cut hairs around hollywood sci-fi plots, who cares...).
thelaughingllama
MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 4:51 AMMy take on Alien was always that the eggs were the result of whatever burst out of the Space Jockey's chest. Since it was the same planet where Aliens also took place I assumed the Queen was the one responsible for the laying. Maybe the Queen was in fact lurking about somewhere in Alien, hibernating as there was no-one around.
But after seeing Prometheus i'm starting to think that the eggs were part of the Jockey's dangerous cargo - maybe it was some kind of biological bomber craft. Funny how the Jockey managed to get impregnated though, didn't they have some kind of health and safety issues going on considering how dangerous the cargo was?
Hadley's Hope
MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 5:01 AMPerhaps it was an attempt to remove them from LV-223 and study them in a different lab, and the containment technology wasn't up to the job. (blue lights instead of green! = some one out in the wrong bulb :) )
Xenophobe
MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 5:06 AMHmm. . . I personally think that the eggs were just the result of an Engineer experiment, which could have made the ampules obsolete. As the Xeno is pretty much a perfect creature and weapon.
Redleader
MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 8:12 AMAfter watching prometheus and the scale of the ship and size...the Alien egg chamber from first movie is not in the ship. I am sure its been covered before, it could be an older underground engineer installation.
fluke
MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 8:39 AMwell i learned on this site that in the original 1972 version of alien there was no eggs but there was urns that contained both black goo & a face hugger. The black goo was spores of some kind and could infect a host and cause them to give birth to a xeno.
the original way to make eggs was to cacoon a victim and they would change into an egg with facehugger inside.
i dont think the alien queen was part of the life cycle at all in the original.
so it looks like theyve introduce the original idea of black goo and urns but changed what it does in small ways.
Its a bit of a mess tbh : /
Deneba321
MemberOvomorphJun-14-2012 3:04 PMI'll go ahead and explain the xenomorph step by step here (for more explanations see link bottom).
1) The one forwarding (star) address the Engineer/Space Jockeys/Gardeners did leave us (multiple times all over earth) is a site being set up with an idol surrounded by urns of transgenic virus set to release and did release upon the door re-opening. (for what happened to the Gardeners manning the site 2000 years ago ask me and I'll tell).
2) That virus is not just a single species ender, rather it is a "garden ender" for all multicellular life on an earth, aka a garden of eden- it will kill via aggressive transmission any multicellular creature from a worm, to a dog, or a human and it will employ the genes of the creature that it takes on as a bio-tool to kill the rest of those creatures - not just some - all the creatures in all the gardens that house the problematic species, such as earth humans. How so?
3) By whatever method this virus is successfully transmitted by, bite, scratch, spray, or (as graphically laid out exactly visually by the wall mural next to the big head idol in the 'urn room') eventually by cell meiosis) that is how it continues. By cell meiosis you say - what does that mean?
4) When the infected scientist, Charlie Holloway, has sex with his anthropologist wife, Elizabeth Shaw, his infected sperm cells are the virally transformed single cell transmission organism into her normal human host egg. Note: (it wasn't a human to human infection, it wasn't a direct infection like Charlie and Fifield; it was spermatozoa to egg meiosis). So
5) That monster in the surgery bed (that eventually ‘mates’ with that last 'Engineer' before its tail dies) doesn't look vaguely human because it is a virulently transformed spermatozoa (coupled with a human egg) organism (Note: this is cinematically foreshadowed by the white worms in the soil transforming in the black muck of the isolation chamber into deadly snake white like creatures.) This means
6) It is a 'mid-species' transmission cell which is working from a single celled entity, a spermatozoa which has all human DNA and yet a sperm like body which were the inherited transmission method not just to infect, but to perform multicellular meiosis with a host creature (who is essentially is a multicellular egg to it). So just to be clear,
7) This is origin of the facehugger, a transformed single celled organism that can't truly live on its own, a spermatozoa coupled with a human egg. At which point, it,a face hugger, is an organsim with many of the attributes of the DNA it came from, plus some viral advantages like acid for blood, tough, amazingly aggressive, etc. You sure you wanted to know this?
So the 'new xenomorph' at the end of the movie is a virally transformed human sperm cell merged with a human egg cell. This begets a xenomorph who inherits the sperm cells characteristics, aka the facehugger, to implant its DNA in an egg to perform meiosis - this is a novel twist over simple viral infection on a DNA/cellular- the virus has become a multicellular organism.
9) Just as the mural shows, this is how it progresses from a virus into a creature.
10) Note as well this xenomorph has earth human like white teeth and pink gums on its two jaws. The pointier head and fully bodied birth might just be a growing stage we've never seen before. OR it could also be that the Xenomorph via meiosis always has recessive and dominate traits takes on some characteristics. OR - unjustifiably speculative - it might be that since this breed has an earth human father ('donating' the spermatozoa) and an earth human mother ('donating' the womb and egg), this is a version of a xenomorph coming from black goo virus to phenotype via earth humans and adopting their aspects. This might indicate that the Xenomorph from Alien, Aliens, etc. originated from black goo virus to phenotype taking on the characteristics of another, yet unseen race, but this is incredibly tenuous so I'd discount it.
If you want to know more, click here:
http://www.prometheus-movie.com/community/forums/topic/7710&page=1
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