craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-09-2012 11:11 PMThis does not reflect my opinion of you @Cinefan, but I wish us no further steps down that unfortunate path.......the idea of this universe without Ridley...it just isn't something I can stomach or want to think about. I don't trust anyone else to direct it. If there were a sequel, you'd think they would learn their lesson from the first go round......That's why Ridley is in the driver's seat as we speak...may he never vacate it.
Cinefan
MemberOvomorphMar-09-2012 11:44 PM@craigamore
I whole heartedly agree with you craigamore. It makes me sick to think that this younger generation thinks that CGI makes a movie awesome and that the AVP movies were good. My response is that's because they never saw the first 2 Alien movies or the first Predator movie which are substantially better, but it's difficult to convince someone that's 16yrs old to watch a movie 30yrs old and that it's 10 times better than AVP with a ton of CGI. When I was a kid there's no way my dad could have talked me into watching something from the 50's and that it was way better than some of the stuff I was watching at the time.
Honestly this thread was started just as an exercise in fun, not meant to be serious or have any major debate. I was wanting to start a thread dealing with something other than a Prometheus speculation.
When I heard Ridley was directing this about 2yrs ago I actually got chills and I am more excited for this movie than I have been for a movie in a long time. I have much love for the director. Sorry for the long winded explanation, I'm very passionate about films.
CrazyDave55811
MemberOvomorphMar-09-2012 11:52 PMMichael Bay is the best! Jay-kay.
Anyway, didn't Sir Ridley mention the sequel? You'd think that if it was mentioned by him, he would be at the helm. I can't picture anyone else directing Prometheuses (or Prometheus 2, or whatever it ought to be called, which is just too soon to decide for God's sake).
David Fincher.......well, if there was one thing he was good at, it was setting the mood for an Alien movie, even if Alien 3 wasn't so great (though in some ways it's too under-appreciated).
Antoine Fuqua did Training Day, didn't he? I've still not seen that movie, though I have seen Tears of the Sun, which was alright. Don't know much about him to give proper judgment.
Christopher Nolan, as we all know, did Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Inception, and will be releasing The Dark Knight Rises. Inception was pretty good, and I know Batman Begins was cool and TDK was even better (as much as I don't like Batman's voice in those movies; you can't understand what he's saying and he sounds like he's smoked too many cigarettes). I bet if he were directing an Alien movie he'd easily get Hans Zimmer to compose the soundtrack; that guy is a musical beast.
Alas, it just wouldn't feel the same if it wasn't directed by Sir Ridley.
Cinefan
MemberOvomorphMar-10-2012 12:07 AMI absolutely love Hans Zimmer, he's my favorite composer, does a lot of stuff for Ridley's brother.
I like Nolan cause he can tell an interesting story and Fuqua can bring a serious grittiness without having a bunch of oneliners, and I just love Fincher. I think if the studio left Fincher alone this time he would come up with something great (I LOVED Seven)
Hesjustagrunt
MemberOvomorphMar-10-2012 12:48 AMFun question. There really is no substitute, but I'll start with people I would NOT want anywhere near a sequel:
Roland Emmerich
Michael Bay
(I am not a hater of these guys though)
Possible substitutes:
Christopher Nolan
Tarsem Singh
Alfonso Cuarón
Guillermo del Toro
Peter Jackson
ZetaReticuli
MemberOvomorphMar-10-2012 3:36 AMCarl Rinsch - Ridley's original choice?
Raven
MemberOvomorphMar-10-2012 7:44 AMQuinten Tarantino, don't laugh I would be very interested to see his take on Sci Fi, and you know it would be violent.
Ronster
MemberOvomorphMar-10-2012 9:40 AMI'd like to see Tarantino actually do a sci-fi monster flick just for fun but I would not like to see where he'd take prometheus.
Terrence Malleck, David Lynch or Duncan Jones
Not_my_intention
MemberOvomorphMar-10-2012 9:50 AMguys you need to relax about Ridley Scott, he is a good director yes, the best ever? no. what you should be asking is who should write the sequel, the director doesn't have that much involvement in the story. the writer will say "they are on a space ship and it blows up" the director will say "okay, i want a close up shot then cut to a far away shot and rotate around the ship as it explodes." like that. the director decides what it looks like, not what happens. but if i had to decide someone to make it look good, i would go with James Cameron. i know that a lot of you don't like aliens (i honestly don't know why) but it was not as good because he wrote it. the actual direction is great, ever see the abyss? its in my top 5 science fictions, he wrote and directed that too, go check it out :) but yeah chillax about ridley, he is not film Jesus.
EGR101
MemberOvomorphMar-10-2012 4:53 PM@Hesjustagrunt
You spoke my mind, dude
Speaking of directors, I think David Cronenberg (who was offered ALIEN 3 I think) is a perfect guy to attempt to depict this Alien world. Have you seen his stuff? THE FLY, DEAD RINGERS (a movie full of images of bizarre birthing tools), and one of my faves, EXISTENZ, a movie with a MATRIX-like concept, but closer to INCEPTION in execution.
Chris Nolan is a great storyteller, and has a flair with non-linear editing but his style is too anti-septic for the ALIEN franchise. Cuaron & Del Toro will be interesting choices. Peter Jackson is a great visualist but his whimsical style does not suit the dark, vicious world of ALIEN.
alteredstate.
MemberOvomorphMar-10-2012 4:56 PMi wouldn't mind tony scott tackling a decent budget sc fi his nearest attempt deja vu was enjoyable and subtly sc fi i wonder how he would compose a space film.?
Hesjustagrunt
MemberOvomorphMar-10-2012 4:21 PMSo annoyed...just did a big reply and it got deleted...knew I shoulda copied before trying to post
Hesjustagrunt
MemberOvomorphMar-10-2012 4:47 PMIn a nutshell...I don't worship Ridley Scott, but I believe he just has an uncanny understanding of "Alien" and hopefully, Prometheus. The reason we are so rabidly excited for Prometheus is because everything about it seems to ooze Ridley's signature "x factor" from Alien.
"Aliens" was a rush and a grand technical achievement. Alien 3 was visceral and tried to bring back the dread of "Alien", but the story didn't really stir my imagination, surprise me (Ash), or make me wonder what I was seeing like the first movie (the ship, Space Jockey, etc.). Alien 4 was...hard to describe; it was daring in some ways, but fell short in the acting department (I liked Sigourney though) and fell into the slick B movie category for me.
When Ridley is at the helm he seems to elevate an Alien "movie" into a film. He presents ideas visually without cramming it in your face or explaining everything. He makes you think and wonder. I think Tarsem Singh has a similar intelligent style and obviously amazing visuals. That's why I threw him on my list.
craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-10-2012 5:39 PMOh @invaderzim42, I don't even know where to start. Yes, the writer originates the story, but a director brings it to life. There's a saying about film that I believe is appropriate here.....a flim is made three times, in the writing of the script, in production and in post production. Directors have a hell of a lot more influence and importance in the making, structuring and storytelling aspects of a film than you give them credit for. It is the director's job to to take that script and make a visual production of it's story. The director absolutely decides what happens...directors alter scripts and story elements constantly in the production of a film. They do it in pre-production, during filming and in the editing room. Most writers sell their script and have little to no influence on what happens to their story after it's left their hands, unless they're buddy buddy with a producer or the director and that's very rare. Even O'Bannon, who was allowed special access to Ridley and the production, had his script stripped down and re-written. 'Alien' is as much Ridley's film as it is Dan's and to suggest that "the director decides what it looks like, not what happens" is patently ridiculous and uninformed. It's not that simple, not even close.
shardy
MemberOvomorphMar-10-2012 8:55 PM@Cinefan: i worked with a PA a while back, who happened to
work with Charlize Theron on Snow White and The Huntsman
i asked him if he could give me ANY details on PROMETHEUS,
given the fact that he worked with her, and she worked on said
film, he couldn't give me much info, but he did let it slip, that
Ridley has already planed for a second film after PROMETHEUS,
but it all tightly hinges one whether or not it does the required
box office / DVD sales gross that the studio needs to green light
another film that would continue the PROMETHEUS story line
as far as who i think would be worthy to take the reigns if Scott
were to decide not to direct the sequel to PROMETHEUS, for me
that would have to be Chris Cunningham
he style is VERY Kubrick-esque, and at one time,
he was singed onto Scott's "Black Dog Films" company
@craigamore: i read your comments on that other moronic
thread that suggested "Aliens" is a um...."more profound film than ALIEN"
(eye rolls / shakes my head in incredulous disdain)
how you were able to maintain your patience in the face of
such ABSOLUTE NONSENSE is quite commendable to me
i commend you there craigamore
craigamore
MemberOvomorphMar-10-2012 9:12 PMNow let's be nice shardy, but thank you.....the key is in the detail with which you argue, that and civility........
shardy
MemberOvomorphMar-10-2012 9:15 PMi understand, that actually was me being nice,
i decided against posting on that thread, since i am quite passionate
about my feeling for ALIEN and Ridley Scott, and i didn't want
to go all Regean McNeil on there
in any case, you make a great point, and do so intelligently