What is considered Canon in the Prometheus storyline. . .

It's Ridley's sandbox, he just let a few others play in it. I'm fine with him ignoring anything that happened in the films after Alien. The xenomorphs are such adaptive creatures anyway you could pretty much explain any discrepanices however you like...

Very true! As going by the trailer possibly, we may see mutation into Xenomorph-like creatures. Much like the original footage on Alien, of the crewmember being turned into an egg like thing. . .

The way I see it, in Alien, based on the size of the crew on the ship there was no need for the number of eggs that might require a Queen so the method of mutating one of it's victims into an egg for reproductive purposes was enough to fit the creature's needs. In a largely populated area such as in the second film mass egg production was necessary, I guess the creature would mutate into a queen, or I guess it would have to mutate a few victims into eggs to spawn a few drones before it turned into a queen.

Hmmm perhaps. . . In Prometheus though I think that the crew will unintentionally rewrite some DNA stuff that the SJ's are keeping stored away. I read on a wiki site that perhaps the Xeno's were actually the original species we've believed all along to be "Space Jockey's", but something went wrong along their evolutionary path. . .

no, as much as it may be better without the queen i don't think they can just ignore it like that. us fans would be fine with it but to the general public they would be like "whats happening? who? what?" i understand ignoring the avp series (they are predator cannon not alien cannon) and alien Resurrection (that movie was not only bad but it was f****** weird to) but ignoring aliens and 3 would be confusing, this is not a reboot right? just a prequel? that would make no sense that would mean alien was part of to different cannons and there is not time travel involved so no split time line like zelda and yeah. not to mention that aliens is the most widely known and famous to the public, so yes, this is confusing.

Scott can ingore anything he wants......look at the Spiderman reboot that's coming out.....look at Nolan's Batman reboot........even if this isn't a reboot, Scott isn't obligated to stick to anything outside of 'Alien'.......Scott has always come off as dismissive of the sequels to date; he can blow the whole thing up if he wants to......and also, [b]we won't be seeing any xenos, classic aliens, whatever the hell you want to call them[/b], only the progenitor....so, there's no reason at all for Scott to even approach that part of the so called "canon".

The new nolan batmans and the new spiderman aren't canon, in regards to comic book characters their canon is in their original format, the comics... in other words only the batman/spiderman comics are canon because that's the source material. The new films are adaptations!

@craigamore i am not saying that he needs to acknowledged the other movies in Prometheus, he can ignore them all he wants, i am just saying that if this does spawn a new series, it should follow the rules set by the old series, or at least not contradict them. Scott is not god, he can erase all of the series history or none of it, not some of it. not to sound mean or anything, just my opinion :/

also Scott did not write alien, he just directed it, if anybody did have the right to change things like that it would be the original writer, Dan O'Bannon. he even wrote the characters throughout the series, and the avp movies making him the longest lasting alien series guy or whatever. oh yeah he is dead so yeah that's sad :( he would probably be helping scott if he was still alive. WHERE DOES [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman/Aliens]BATMAN[/url] FIT INTO THIS?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

I hope the Queen ideal is omitted from the new films, I never like the ideal of a Queen Alien.

I think you should not --well, you could but --- be too concerned with whether the movie will be canon or not, whether the Derelict is of the right dimensions, whether the alien species is modeled after an ant colony. We should look at the word "derelict" itself. Generally it means "a stranded ship" which fits into the idea that the Space Jockey comes from somewhere else and infected itself with the Xenos. Another meaning for the word is "deserted, or abandoned" which fits into the original Dan O'Bannon's idea that there was once a thriving civilization that existed on LV 426 before it self-destructed through a culture of cruelty & exhausted itself through over-exploitation of resources. The last idea sounds a lot like what befell the Rapa Nui culture on Easter Island, or whatever wiped out the Aztecs, Mayans or the Egyptians. I think Ridley Scott is more intrigued by this sociological angle rather than with texture of the Eggs or the detailing on the SJ chamber etc.

True Snorky, but I just get the vibe that he'll be passing over all that other stuff that happened post 'Alien'......it's in the air......can't you smell it? @invaderzim42....of course he's not God, but any artist, in a sense, possesses that kind of power over what they create and of course he can ignore the rest of the franchise if he so desires.....a writer, director, artist can do whatever he or she chooses creatively, so long as they possess the tools to tell a proper story..................and, again, considering that [b]we won't be seeing any xenos, classic aliens, whatever the hell you want to call them[/b], there is absolutely no reason, story wise, for Scott to entertain the queen concept, if he so chooses.......... ...in giving us a look in to the world of the SpaceJockeys and the progentior of the xeno, so long as he does it with intelligence and a reasonable attention to his audience's willingness or ability to suspend disbelief, Scott can tell us any tale he likes and completely ignore everything in the "canon" he doesn't................that's the beauty of writing, and in Scott's case, directing; gifted storytellers can create with the scope of gods over their creations with total right to proceed as they see fit......whether we agree with their choices or not is entirely up to us....... Now......don't take what I just said as any kind of a proclamation that Ridley Scott is God or that I worship the man in any way....that would be ridiculous....I merely speak of the kind of power a writer or director has over the world in which their story takes place.....when one tells a story, they, by default, create a world that operates as they ordain it should.....that's the power of storytelling and thus, Ridley can proceed with the finer details in 'Prometheus' any way he and Lindelof see fit..........if that means a complete kibosh on the queen concept, then so be it....

Good points @Engr101

@ Engr101 - The one story subplot that I do not want to see in this movie is any hint of Earth pillaging/Amazon tree cutting/air polluting/acid rain falling/ozone depleting/global warming/ice caps melting/oceans rising/polar bear drowning/spotted owl dying/nuclear radiating/solar panel subsidizing/Cap and trading leftist rehash of an eco-disaster anywhere in my most beloved sci-fi horror series or so help me I will burn every one of my VHS, DVD and bluray copies of the alien franchise in a most ecologically unfriendly way! Whew! Glad I got that off my chest.

I really hope the queen concept is ditched, egg morphing is far more disturbing, unnatural and Alien. I'm also hoping that the movie sticks with the lovecraftian cosmiscism of the original. Aliens for all intents and purposes killed everything that was terrifying about the organism to begin with. The perfect organism doesn't stand up well against a pulse rifle.

I think it is shameful to trash the concept of the Queen. If you take a minute to analize its impact on the series you would notice it adds new depth and sentiment to the creatures. The original Alien, though mysterious and very terrifying, had no discernable measure of purpose besides that of reproduction. With the Queen, we have indications of structure, order, purpose and perhaps even an identity as a race. Aliens showed they had a certain degree of 'reason' and as for the Queen, feelings. Yes, I said feelings. Jaws the revenge and Porcayo, both had an animal that was hell bent on vengeance. They acted with cunning and tenacity. That behavior opens up an argument that they were driven by more than simple instinctive responses. Just my thoughts. Plus the Queen is one Bad Mother...

personally, i hope there are Z E R O traces of anything that Cameron suggested, or ANY other silliness that was put forth in all the "Alien sequels" that followed this is Ridley's universe, as well as timeline, so i am confident that there will be none of the absurd "cockroaches / termites in space" plot dynamics. i am hoping for a truly A L I E N experience when i see this new film it's going to be a tough sell for some, there are folks who scoff at ALIEN (1979) and hold that film in low regard compared to the A.D.D. action shoot-em-up that "Aliens" turned out to be i think Scott is intelligent enough to walk the fine line between his ALIEN and all the inferior sequels that followed his groundbreaking film in 1979 first it was "truckers in space", then "soldiers in space", "prisoners in space", now, it's "scientists in space", so i am hoping for not only some truly profound concepts here, but also some really strong dialog, and amazing visuals to match definitely something to look forward to..!

I am in total agreement with @shardy.......first off, the whole ant colony/bee hive social biology Cameron brought to the series is famialiar to human eyes......we all remember what the title of the franchise is, right?....'Alien', ergo......the alien and any aspect there of should be foreign to human eyes........nothing about Cameron's hive/queen nonsense is foreign, therefore isn't frightening and, frankly, is pretty damn lazy...... .......second, nothing Cameron suggested made the alien any more intelligent or have any more "discernable measure of purpose" than Ridley did....Ridley's alien was cunning, discerning in its choice of when to attack and far from mindless or simply instinctive........why didn't it rip into the carrier to go after the cat, the closet living thing at that moment?......It rarely showed itself and was more ghost than animal...which made it that much more bizarre and terrifying....where the hell was it? and when would it [b]choose[/b] to show itself.... ....as to your statement, @Nuone, "The original Alien, though mysterious and very terrifying, had no discernable measure of purpose besides that of reproduction"......I recall everything the queen did having the survival of her progeny as her one and [b]ONLY[/b] concern....it's why she ordered the drones to leave the egg chamber when Ripley threatened the eggs and it's why she chased after Ripley once her young were all destroyed.....that seems pretty much to be all about reproduction...doesn't it?

@craigamore: great post there yourself. once again - - agreed!

Thanks @shardy...

Oh I don't mind whether this Prometheus movie fits in with the Alien canon or not. It just struck me as odd how this film could possibly take place in the Alien "universe", if it ignores one of the major things from the actual Alien franchise as a whole (The Queen I mean). . . Anyway, I think yes this film will more than likely follow the life cycle that was originally gonna be the basis of the Alien movie. I.e the mutation into a Xenomorph egg etc, as this is definitly a more disturbing way of reproducing in my eyes!

Hold on a goddamn second here...did someone mention Jaws The Revenge????!!!! Jaws the mother fucking revenge???? as in, errrr the greatest film ever made, in the history of filmaking EVER!!!!! Seriously - Be gone, Blaspheim!, swear box!!!!! You must be banished for mentioning such things!!!!

I want it to have nothing to do with anything that came after Alien. Nothing at all. If it does I will probably walk out and ask for my money back. I think connecting it to the entire mess that has been the Alien Franchise is a terrible idea and will end in tears and failure for Fox. After AvP:R that universe needs a break.

got a lot to say on this one, I will do it in the morning, bottom line is I have a Big fat problem wiht that word..."Canon" I mean. Like I said I'll address it tomorrow.

@Spartacus - I purely meant would this film follow the storyline in Alien alone, or also include the subsequent plots from the following films aswell. . .

@Spartacus - I purely meant would this film follow the storyline in Alien alone, or also include the subsequent plots from the following films as well. . . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Hey man, it's sooo cool...no worries at all...Your post made me think hard about what I wanted to say and here is a few of the thoughts I wrote down with your post in mind last night in case you are interested...by the way I may have worded it wrong but my intention was NOT to make you feel bad. I apologize if I did at all in any way at all. #1-IMO in order to be here at all, and if we even realize it ourselves or not...in order to be right here on these forums, we had to have found at the very least, at least 1little thing in each of the Franchise's first 4 films, that we LIKED. #2-Signourney Weaver's character of Ellen Ripley became so enduring to so many people that the first 4 films IMO should be considered "CANON" as you would say and are what they are in large part due to the popularity, loyalty to , and following that her character/SHE garnered. I have the ultimate respect for the word as it was intended to be used and what it stands for, but to me it generalizes to narrow a bandwidth for so much material to consider when weiging validity and continuity in the Alien Franchise storyline. #3-The first film in any film franchise that is successful is always because of or on the strength of it's first film in the series. That film is the hook that sets the stage for the rest of them and it is almost unheard of to see a film that comes out 2nd thru 4th in a franchise to be BETTER "per sey" than the original. That said there is much validity to your argument that ONLY the first film should matter. But I loved them all and it hurt me or hit to close to home to read that I guess because I did. I mean I understand why they lost something as we go down the line and I hated the mutation to that creature at the end of Resurrection, but...There's like NO chance in any popular film franchise for subsequent films in it to ever mean more than the original film in it. #4-O'Bannon I feel is waymore deserving than anyone gives credit. he was/is just a really starange guy who touched some people the wrong way with his bad character. Buut that does not diminish the fact that his importance to all of this is maybe the only importance that is as important or more so than Ridley Scott's. The Beach Ball of StarBeast was his yes...that's why we have a Xenomorph today folks, last time I checked at least. #5-Alan Dean Foster wrote out the first 3 films in his HUGELY POPULAR novelizations. He also wrote in some very awesome stuff that what..."can't be Canon" because they weren't officialy part of the first film? I guess in the end like I said it comes down to the fact that I just do not like the word "Canon". LOL I rationalize it like this...A "Canon" in my world is a very old and slow incumbered weapon you gotta light a wick on and spray and pray with...it ain't very accurate In and of itself I guess...oh it sounds all big and tugh when I read it and I guess that intimidates me a bit because of that too. Very provocative post this one was for me, made me think a lot about it. I like the idea, but still think I am open to accept anything Ridley decides to do with it, for me it'll all be just as vaklid if he includes references from all4 films but I don;t think he will becayse it is after a Prequel so it would be logical that it only concern itself wiht reunning into the first of the franchise films. Thanks man. Sparty@ThePrometheusParty!

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