the_mystagogue
MemberOvomorph12/31/2011archetech, i couldn't agree more. the brief synopsis provided on the home page states that ridley is going deeper with this movie. i sure hope so. alien 1 was just totally out there for the time. alien 2 was shallow but entertaining. 3 was a nice broody twist on the theme but with nothing much new. 4 contains the seeds of something much bigger that hasn't been explored to my full satisfaction yet. so i hope that prometheus will do that and more, kinda go all metaphysical on us. ;-)
--conduit closing in 4...3...2...OMG!!!!
roy batty
MemberOvomorph12/31/2011ArchEtech, you have perfectly identified and articulated my precise same concern. As much of a science fiction fantasy "Alien" was, the brilliance in the story, performances and art direction (as well as the Hitchcock-ian efficiency/editing) was that the combination somehow translated as plausible, and this left an unsettled, disturbing and cold pyschological footprint.
I know there are mixed feelings on "Aliens", but for comparison sake, and while a good and intense movie and entertaining in its own right, that was an example of how the elements I mentioned could be, well, neutered in favor of more linear action, comedy relief, etc. (not an intentional slight on Cameron, I know he was trying to do a different film and story.)
I'm hoping for, at minimum, a balance between those two films, in terms of overall tone. I suspect, for better or worse, with Lindelof involved, there may be more emphasis on character development on this one, which could have unpredictable resonance on whether tone will still be disturbing and unsettling. It could acheive that if we become more vested in the characters as a result, or it could be distracting if excess storylines/dialogue compromises the efficiency that came into play in something like the first "Alien" movie.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph12/31/2011I hope so too.
At the same time I feel there is NO need to worry and any comparing this project with "crystal skull" is completely, with all due respect to you, unnecessary .
Frantz
MemberOvomorph12/31/2011I think that we can have a quite precise idea in which category this movie will fall ( from the trailers and from what scott said )
the word "epic" i very important and both good and bad
The Gladiator was "epic" , Star WArs was "epic" ...so a big story , like a narrative book , with alot of interesting characters , many "adventures" and twists , moral decisions and so on ... So will not be "alien" because he know perfectly that is not possibile to recreate that feeling , that innovation ( alien 3 tried hard and partially failed ) and of course cannot be Aliens because that is Cameron's territory .
So will be something "broad" that cannot totally miss ( ridley scott and the cast are too good ) but can miss our "souls " ...but if everything suceed we will have a Classic sci fi movie for the next 50 years (but that almost surely will always be after Alien in our hearts )
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph12/31/2011That's exactly it IMO Frantz, you are dead bang on there, this film will be unique and true unto itself before any and all other things.
Ridley is not some guy you just lightly say, well, he did this and it was crap or he did that and it was crap, of if he does this or that, it's gonna be crap, and for one reason before all others...
To anyone that would even infer such things, please POST FOR ME A LINK TO WATCH THE FILMS THAT YOU MADE THAT WERE BETTER THAN HIS !!!
This guy is in the Top Ten Directors ALIVE on this planet right now !!!
If he says EPIC believe me it's Epic in a Good Way !!!
After what we've seen, IMO you'd have to be "Slow on the uptake" or just plain "Nutz" not to bank on Ridley having a massive hit here!!!
ArchEtech
MemberOvomorph12/31/2011Spartacus - seeing the discussion as an attack on Ridley is rather... Shallow
Of course there is need to worry. Filmaking is not what it was in 1979. Unless Ridley is personally producing the film, there is no telling what outside influence will hinder his vision. My point is, I hope that does not happen. A PG-13 rating would clearly symbolize a sellout, unless our projections of what the film will be ate way off. Although, Ridley is older maybe he's softened up a bit on the twisted sexual, disturbing grossness that is Alien.
Lots of movies that are "hits" simply suck. Fact.
Scott has been involved in some of my favorite movies though, no question.
Frantz
MemberOvomorph12/31/2011IF Ridley Scott is free to do what he want ...he will do a PG13 ....
To be honest i dont see Alien to be neither gross ( really calling today alien a "gross" movie is out of place ) nether sexual ( but i accept that someone see there many sexual elements ) ANYWAY no any other Scott movies have disturbing ( hannibal felt quite flat ) or Sexual elements ..just watch the entire list .... so who was carryng the disturbing and sexual elements into alien is ...
GIGER !!!!!!!
and since ridley scott is a genius he understood the innovation of the biomechanic , slimy , sensual ( more than sexual to me ) thing ...Without Giger you dont see that elements anymore in any of the other Scott movies .
Hes a raffinate , romantic , emotional , visual teller .
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph12/31/2011I do not see any of this as an "attack on Ridley" at all, but what I truly think since you invited me say what I think of it now, is that the very idea of even thinking to compare this film in any way to Crystal Skull is completely unnecessary and dumb.
Also, from what we have seen so far this film will make "crystal skull" look like a Joke.
Also, I find that so many people out there have these seemingly all knowingly like opinions on the art of film making and then when you confront them on their experience and knowledge of film and where they get half the stuff they are saying from and even they themselves do not know!!!
I did not mean to seem angry or mean, I am just extremely emphatic that we are talking about One of the greatest visionaries in science fiction film making history here who worked with a budget that German Magazine "Blick" still maintains is between 200 and 250 million dollars...and he brought Giger on board to help create the visuals, so I have just one question left to everyone who is worried at all....
Knowing these things in advance f the films release and having seen that trailer...
What exactly is it that is so worrisome about this production now that makes you think it is going to morph into a film of some type that you should be AFRAID of?
Do you really not have any faith after what you have read seen and hear here?
NachoFleischman
MemberOvomorph12/31/2011One point to Ridley Scott is that in Quadrilogy Edition Interviews, he said clearly that he would get back to direct a science fiction movie when he found a good story, because that is all: the story to tell. He has waited for more than 20 years, so... go on Sir Ridley Scott!
Jeystone
MemberOvomorph01/3/2012I want to like it but this PG rating business means basically it will suck..I'm sorry but no PG movie can capture the essence of Alien..the only way this won't end up a complete failure is if he films extra gory uncut footage for the Bluray at least..I mean why not?
Gavin
MemberTrilobite01/3/2012The impression one gets in Ridleys recent comments regards the matter of a PG13 rating is this...
Fox want a PG13 version of Prometheus, so they can make as much money as possible on what is regarded as the most anticipated film of 2012. However Ridley is making the film he wants to make, whether or not it will be PG13 and/or R depends upon what finished product Ridley presents to fox, or as he put it "we've covered our arses either way".
Neurion
Veteran MemberMemberOvomorph01/3/2012@Spartacus,
Your words:
“Ridley is not some guy you just lightly say, well, he did this and it was crap or he did that and it was crap, of if he does this or that, it's gonna be crap, and for one reason before all others...”
“To anyone that would even infer such things, please POST FOR ME A LINK TO WATCH THE FILMS THAT YOU MADE THAT WERE BETTER THAN HIS !!!”
“This guy is in the Top Ten Directors ALIVE on this planet right now !!!”
“If he says EPIC believe me it's Epic in a Good Way !!!”
“After what we've seen, IMO you'd have to be "Slow on the uptake" or just plain "Nutz" not to bank on Ridley having a massive hit here!!!”
My words:
I am a fan of ALIEN and several other Ridley Scott films, therefore, I’m a fan of Ridley Scott. However, this does not preclude the possibility of him directing what I might call a bad…or failure of a film. Since this is art, every viewer has different likes and dislikes…and are going to weigh in differently on the subject. Now, Ridley is experienced and technically, he knows how to make a movie…I don’t think there’s any here who doubt about that. Every film he’s made, has been “well made.” However, he has made some films that I just plain didn’t care for. And as you know…there’s no accounting for taste. He can’t please everybody.
WE THE PEOPLE…of this website are constantly debating, joking, arguing, agreeing…and disagreeing…on how we’d like this PROMETHEUS story to play out and how it will probably play out. There’s going to be no way in HELL that Scott is going to be able to please everyone.
Whether you’re Lean, Kubrick, Coppola, Spielberg, Lucas, Scorsese, Altman, Pollack or whomever…you won’t always be able to please every filmgoer. That’s just the nature of the “Starbeast.” Since there are so many varying expectations and wish-lists…some folks will be elated with the final product, some disappointed, some saying “Whatever,” while still others might even hate it.
As far as having to be a filmmaker in order to critique a film or declare that it’s “crap”…I’m afraid I don’t agree with that. In the grand scheme of things, there are few filmmakers, and many filmgoers. The movie is designed and supposed to entertain the masses. If you’re in a restaurant, and you think the food tastes bad…I think you should have the right to say to your friends, “I think this movie…I mean food…tastes bad. So it just depends on what Sir Ridley serves it up.
However you slice it…anybody posting on this website has been touched, in one way or another by the ALIEN film series…and is probably very excited for this new film. I wish that I was as completely optimistic as yourself…but my shields are up…just in case.
~Neurion