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MemberOvomorph12/22/2011...(internally anyway)
A quick image comparison of the two:
[img]http://www.horrorphile.net/images/alien-space-jockey12.jpg[/img]
[img]http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c323/BlestBadge/Prometheus%20Trailer/vlcsnap-2011-12-22-11h13m08s34.png[/img]
(Courtesy of AVPGALAXY)
Pay attention to the floor construction.
Discuss.
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Xenotron
MemberOvomorph12/22/2011If this is true, then you've just presented the greatest piece of evidence that there's no xenomorphs in this movie.
Congratulations.
Frantz
MemberOvomorph12/22/2011huh why ?
yes the guy seems very tall in confront of the alien set ..... btw the trasmitter in not yet totally out ( and maybe some part of the floor rise at the end )
Biomechanic
MemberOvomorph12/22/2011I don't think all of the floor features have risen or dropped yet. It seems too similar not to be the same ship. What will disappoint me most is if there is more than one derelict. I want it to be unique.
Mentos
MemberOvomorph12/22/2011I think the rooms are different.
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- Each wall is differently textured
- The details on the chair are ever-so-slightly different (study them closely)
- The wall in ALIEN has a vertical curve and bulky borders, the one in Prometheus has both a vertical and horizontal curve, and no bulky borders borders,
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Xenotron
MemberOvomorph12/22/2011It certainly looks similar, but slightly different.
Maybe the film makers don't really care for continuity and just wanted to update the look of the chair?
There doesn't have to be some deep meaning behind everything. It is just a movie after all.
Biomechanic
MemberOvomorph12/22/2011So hmm it is the room 60 years before we see it in Alien right? Weird stuff grows everywhere in that time : )
Mentos
MemberOvomorph12/22/2011[b]@Xenotron[/b] I'm not claiming there has to be, I'm simply discussing a few ideas.
I don't think it is artistic license.
I used to watch Mythbusters all the time, and Adam Savage would always talk about his ability [i](while working in prop making/visual fx)[/i] to re-create carbon copies of sets, props and costumes when working from snapshot images and bits of video.
If they wanted to re-create the SJ set perfectly they could do it, I think this is a different ship OR at least another room in the ship.
Juxtapose
MemberOvomorph12/22/2011I prefer the original chair and room....more alien looking craftsmanship...but the new one looks decent enough....that dude on the right looks like a bouncer at the local club...lol
I was just thinking that perhaps he is just another character....not part of the main cast....just someone whom accidentally triggered something that makes the chair come rising out of the floor....just a thought tho?
Xenotron
MemberOvomorph12/22/2011Yes, true, true.
But that's only [i]if[/i] they wanted to make a carbon copy of the chamber in Alien. That's assuming that they do want to make a copy. But then, maybe it is a different part of the same ship, or a different ship altogether? We really don't know.
Maybe the guys with the money didn't want to make a huge set like they did in Alien because it would be too expensive so they made one that was easier to build? It is, again, a movie, and the point of a movie is to make money.
Mr.J
MemberOvomorph12/22/2011I think it is the same hip but Scott had more money this time around and better technology to do more with it unlike then...
Micro changes in air density
MemberOvomorph12/22/2011Consider the ships to be in to different stages. One still in flight mode after crash landing. Gear is up. The other parked up and preparing for flight. Gear down. That's how I would explain the differences.
Not_my_intention
MemberOvomorph12/22/2011not really important but when it is unfolding up through the floor is that a part of the set or CGI? because unlike most cgi this one looks kind of real, like the rest of the set, like i said its not really important but i just wanted to know because if that is a hydraulic set then that is really impressive.
Not_my_intention
MemberOvomorph12/22/2011also what we see in alien is defiantly a suit and the one we see on the chair is fused to the chair, if you look at the picture above you can see what looks like the head of the space jockey from alien split open, suggesting that it is split open, the space jockey slips inside, then it closes. just a theory but that's what i see up there.
Drexlspivey
MemberOvomorph12/22/2011There also appears to be external damage to the ship in the trailer compared to the derelict in Alien.
However, this may be a meaningless observation as the ship may very well be a living organism that has regenerative and or growing capability.
Thus I doubt we will be able to conclude whether they are the same spacecraft until the we view the movie, unless someone comes across a picture a the deceased SJ with a damaged chest wall sitting in the chair in a still from the upcoming movie.
walterhiller
MemberOvomorph12/23/2011@ xentron:
"the point of a movie is to make money"
sigh... hasn't watching films by kubrick, scott, or lynch taught you anything? or maybe you prefer uwe boll films.
as for the studio saving money therefore the floor textures couldn't be the same. are you kidding me? do you honestly think someone like scott making a prequel to alien cannot get money to make a damn floor the way he wants?
do you honestly believe he had more money at his disposal when he made alien? cause that's what you're implying.
Spartacus
MemberOvomorph12/23/2011I know this much,
If Ridley saw anything, noticed anything at all that the studios did not want to pay for but he still thought needed fixing, he'd pay for it completely out of his own pocket, no questions asked.
He is a Man of above all else...Severely High professional standards and integrity.
RHunter
MemberOvomorph12/24/2011I think with all the Theories floating around that the possible theory of the Zenomorph or alien being a result of a mistake fits as to why the derelict looks different from Alien and Prometheus. I think the Bio and mechanical gap was merged after the Zenomorph was created helping alter the ship and there is a possibility what ever bursted out of the SJ's chest may have helped change the environment into a hive on the derelict in Alien giving it a biomechanical look. The dirilect in Prometheus shows the true SJ's mecha and how it's more mechanical with the aid of genetics but not so fused into one.
1234567890
MemberOvomorph12/24/2011Juxt, I'm partially offended by the Bouncer remark. I don't look anything like that bald headed blue man. ;-)
Biomechanic
MemberOvomorph01/2/2012Remember this?
[img]http://www.heroesandhellions.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Prometheus-Space-Jockey-Cockpit.jpg[/img]
where do we think this fits in to everything? Looks to me like the furniture moves around in the spacejockey's world
Herk Mondo
MemberOvomorph01/2/2012Guys RHunter is more or less bang on!
I've recently explained-away some of the reason for the internal differences in these 2 SJ vessels (be them one in the same or otherwise) - the interior walls seen in Alien (I'm positive!) are a result of the xenomorph infestation in it as once the xenos have 'moved in' they begin to to convert it to their Hive or habitat and this is done by using the body parts of other sacrificed xenos - notice the 'columns' of slightly differing 'cigar-shaped' items in the 'construction' of the wall surface - im fairly certain these are the upper most part of a xeno head/scull viewed from underneath. A long time ago I read somewhere about the aliens doing this using secretions and bodyparts, etc off hand Im struggling to remember what the source was. But we actually see the one in Alien beginning to do something like this aboard the Narssisus (spelling - I'm in the hoof at the mo) whilst Ripley is hiding and watching whilst changing into her space suit.
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