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Yes, the rating dispute is a worry. Might the 3D release be PG13, the 2D release R? Has there BEEN a 3D 'R' film in the current gimmick wave? IIRC 'Saturday Night Fever' was recut for a family audience and re-released whilst the original was still playing, such was the level of interest from kids so there's some sort of precedent. But perhaps an even bigger concern is our collective expectations of this film - 'Prometheus' as 'The Phantom Menace'.

Spartacus , you theory is approved by alot of critics and movie reviewes ... but still i dont agree ...all the sex references were made MANY years after , some i think from an already sick O'Bannon and some others by ridley to keep the commentary more interesting . In the first interviews there is nothing like this . Anyway if you have someone impregnated with some other's eggs ...which hole you can use ?? i think the mouth is the only one usable in a mainstream movie :D ..we also know that the shift to a woman hero was a last time decision , well after the basic story was made . The only erotic part of the movie is ripley seminaked near the monster BUT that is the classic eroticism of the nude beauty near the monster :D So i dont deny some minor sexual references and erotism BUT i think is 90% smoke that was made to write about something ...in my opinion of course ( maybe its you that are right )

to tell you the truth, I do not care what they intended one way or another and agree with everything you all said...I just referenced it because I felt it would stimulate this kind of discussion which I think is cool. To me ALIEN was just about SCARING people properly in a way the movies hadn't done since, well, since Nosferatu or movies of that nature. I remember sitting in the theater with my 2 best friends 32 and some odd years ago and we , all three of us, FREAKED at the same time at the moment the dead facehugger left Kane's face and later during the subsequent search of the medical room fell onto Ripley's lap and we saw what it looked like underneath as ASH then began to examine it. I remember thinking this...FINALLY...a professionally done horror movie in which the GORE is completely credible....and frightening as all frikkin' hell. Could this be any better, and it couldn't, as we watched it, the three of us were literally squirming in our seats, it was OVERWHELMING the atmosphere that the first film created. I felt that everything in my post other than the references to implied sexuality, were really really good examples of ALIEN references in real life. And that NASA discovery is disturbing to me on so many levels!!! It is on a par with telling me there's a Good Chance an actual XENOMORPH exists out there. Reminds me of what has to be the SINGLE MOST APPROPRIATE AND enduring line in any of all the four films, and it IS NOT EVEN DEBATEABLE... IMO THAT IS...THERE WAS NO ONE LINE THAT DEFINED THIS SERIES OF FILMS ANY BETTER THAN THE LINE ISSUED BY THE CLONED RIPLEY AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF RESURRECTION.... "MY MOMMY ALWAYS SAID THERE WERE NO MONSTERS...NO REAL ONES....BUT THERE ARE" !!!

Practical > CGI. Practical is so, so much better. Ridley has stated that he'll ONLY be using practical effects for this film. At Comic Con Charlize Theron said not seen any CGI used, or any green screen sets (just mock up CGI shots used on monitors to help the actors perform whilst on set). And we also know for a fact that huge 200ft sets have been built inside the 007 stage at Pinewood. More over; very, very early Prometheus news stated that an "8ft Anamatronic SJ had been built", with other rumours stating that the SJ will be "played by a man in a giant costume". So I think it looks promising! ...Although there was an early on-set sighting that essentially stated: "3 Xenos were spotted in blu-fx suits and were ready for work on green screen". We'll have to see!

I think a minimum of CGI will be used ...the only problem i see with pratical effects is that the movie will be totally in darkness ( and from some shoots it seems so ) ... and to be honest im a bit bored with this ... im not worried of CGI if they are made with taste ... ET was a pratical effect that today will make us laugh ...and jar jar is a CGI effect that today make us cry ...

Given Scott's avowed aims with the film I suspect CGI is largely extraneous to the project, apart from depicting space-flight. I hope he doesn't want to have the SJ swimming in pursuit of the earthlings.

[i]No one talks bad about David Fincher[/i]. [b]No one[/b]. Alien 3 was not his fault; it was Fox's. Fincher was brought onto that movie very late into production and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_3]didn't even have a definite script for most of it[/url]. He saved it if anything. Of course Ridley Scott is going to use CGI: it's cheap and is more practical in terms of rendering things on the screen. He'll probably use CGI for panoramic shots or full-body E.T. shots and then use make-up and rubber suits for close-ups.

i SPOKE at length about him...go look again please.

Yes, I read your post and we agree Spartacus. Good points all around. I was responding to the erroneous notion of how David Fincher "raped the series with 'Alien 3'" written farther up the page. I want to get the word out that Alien 3 would have been a lot worse without him.

I have said that I understand everyone's frustration but I never agreed with it, I feel that film was grossly misinterpreted and unfairly critisized as well. Thanks for being so fair, transparent and honest about how YOU see it.

I trust that Ridley Scott is going to respect us fanatics of the original 'Alien'. He's creating another masterpiece, but he's got a lot of pressure because he's going backwards instead of forwards....he knows that there is an enormous fan base that regards Alien as waaaaay more than just entertainment. To design a prequel is probably the hardest thing he's ever going to do. Its going to be based off a movie that is already timeless...if he doesn't want to fuck with his fans he's going to have to "go back" to the way 'Alien' was constructed as a cinematographic masterpiece: the sets, the acting, the tension, the originality, the sound, the SUBTLETIES!!! I pray every single night that Ridley Scott does Prometheus justice....because we ALL know what happened with the Star Wars prequels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

space jockeys = jar jar binx !!! now we im really scared !! :D

According to the few appearances of the Space Jockeys in the comics (they look kinda like Elephant-humanoids with their skin on), they weren't portrayed as the "creators" of the Aliens... they were like exterminators. I think they were supposed to be the original nemesis of the alien species until Dark Horse said "there was an alien skull in predator 2... lets throw them together in a book and see how it goes".

Does the artwork need to have the Prometheus lettering in it?

No, the artwork shouldn't have the Prometheus text printed on it. We will have the Prometheus logo set overtop the artwork. So create an image without the Prometheus text. Thanks!

This might be a little out there but interesting none the less...in Revelations in the King James Bible I remember reading something about "an Abyss opening up just after the 5th trumpet being blown and smoke coming out of the abyss into the sky (not the good kind) and the smoke was like Locusts that looked like horses and had faces like men, teeth like Lions and had tails like scorpions!" And they come upon the Earth and punish mankind. Sounds like a great story for a biblical Alien invasion movie! oh ya they had hair like women too and not like the Children of Juda. Sorry Preditor fans! It's all in the head and not in the dread.

Our Golden Retriever is named Ripley.

I saw the Movie "Paul" recently and right near the end, a really cool lady Punches Sigourney Weaver in the face and temporarily knocks her out, the thing of it is, she says this when she's does it.... "Get Away from her you Bitch" !!! The entire series of films is BURNED into our collective consciousness! Especially those who work in the film industry. It's a part of our Social "POP" Culture now. Almost every horror film since Alien has ripped it off in some way, but most of the imitations have focused on details — a slimy killing-machine monster that is both vaginal and penile; the dripping, cavernous interiors of the Nostromo; those immensely influential H. R. Giger "biomechanical" designs — and missed what you might call the overall Zeitgeist of the film. In...The Authorized Portfolio of Crew Insignias from the United States Commercial Spaceship Nostromo, Designs and Realizations...Ronald Cobb wrote... "I wanted to imply that poor old England is back on its feet and has united with the Japanese, who have taken over the building of spaceships the same way they have now with cars and supertankers. In coming up with a strange company name I thought of British Leyland and Toyota, but we couldn't use "Leyland-Toyota" in the film. Changing one letter gave me "Weylan," and "Yutani" was a Japanese neighbor of mine." NASA scientists have discovered a strange new organism, a lowly bacterium found in the mineral-rich waters of Mono Lake in Eastern California, whose existence raises hope of finding Alien life on other planets. The bacterium, with the catchy name of GFAJ-1, has managed to mutate its own structure, allowing it to survive in an environment entirely toxic to other living organisms. Scientists scooped up samples of the bacterium from Mono Lake and, in the lab, fed it a steady diet of the toxic mineral arsenic. Rather than going “belly up” as expected, the bacterium absorbed the arsenic, assimilating it into its building blocks, and even thrived and grew. The discovery has excited scientists and space buffs alike, because it raises hope of finding life on other planets. Previously, scientists believed that all life forms must depend on oxygen, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, phosphorus and sulphur, to exist. However, this new microbe was able to substitute arsenic for phosphorus, thus opening the door to strange and alien life forms previously not thought possible. Scientists are still uncertain whether the bacterium is a freaky one-off mutation, or whether their experiment proves the possibility of radical new forms of life. But they have already begun to radically re-think the questions related to life on other planets.

I agree , even if Alien owe alot to "the thing from outer space " who later gave birth to the fantastic Carpenter's "the thing" too , is still a perfect masterpiece...i think its impossible to get better than Alien regarding "scaring" sci fi . I still dont get the sexual references , yes giger liked to make everything look a sexual thing but if i watch the movie without any back thoughts i dont catch anything of sexual ... its like sayng that when you eat a sausage you express your homosexual side .

In the case of "Alien", the idea was to scare MEN...MEN, the sex off the two that isn't supposed to scare the easy, and this is why all of the MALES in ALIEN die...in fact, it is exactly why. That film was created with this idea at it's core. In fact, several of the deaths were references to the creatures supposed Bi-Sexuality. I do not particularly like that idea, but it is true that was in their heads at all times while they shot all of the death scenes in that movie. Look it up, I ain't kidding. In fact, when the creature finally kills the only other woman than Ripley, it is done with severely deliberate sexual overtones as the creature's extremeties zero in on her mid section. It was said at one point by Giger I believe that the idea behind the Impregnation of KANE was designed from the get go to be the cinematic equivalence of MALE RAPE!!!

Soooo they are invading earth for the fine pork sausages and mango chutney? Never got that impression from Alien, it was after both sexes and their pets. It's usual in Sci fi that the aliens/monsters are after the earth women except for one cheesy 1986 movie I saw once called Monsters in the Closet and the sequel: Monsters Coming out of the Closet. Soon to be a prequel: Monsters Under the Bed...sheeets. Though that's just after Gene Morph In a Bottle.

Yeah it is a different platform if you look closely, but very similar. There has been speculation that it is the top of the "Head" and is where the SJ is in hyper sleep (all speculation I may add) I don't think it is a ship, I think it is the interior to a chamber or something like that. Remember the early pics that showed the entrance and tunnels? [IMG]http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii283/Evilqtl_2007/Misc/comparison.jpg[/IMG] They initially think the sound is a distress call, but mother works out (too late) that it is a warning.BTW, have you heard the warning call on the DC Blu ray?Totally different and no where near as efective!!!!

nope ...the cds ive are from the Alien Collection ( with a very interesting alien legacy CD ) and there is the classic ( and scaring ) warning call BTW for the 100+ time ive watched alien and for the 100+ time it catched my attention from the 1st frame ...is incredible how it catch you ... i really hope Scott can do again that magic ...and that lead me to some speculations 1) he did add Pearce and Foster because he wasnt able to recreate the right crew chemistry , so he did add 2 people with a strong personality . 2) the crew of the nostromo were made by "not very beautiful people " and not also very young ...ive the slight fear that the prometheus crew is a bit too young and good looking ( expecially in the main characters )

Yeah Frantz, I know what you mean. Every time I watch it it draws me in. The drama, mystery and ultimately the terror.

Mmm...dead people...worms hole...the "dead tunnel"...too mystic for the best horror movie of ever. I think that a great story need be rational, as Alien and Aliens, Alien IV was too much Sci Fi, a bad and poor original argument, Ellen Ripley died and she is cloned 200 years after..whit AND founded in a litle rest of her Blood ¡Come on! If you try to "turn to live" a movie you never do it. Another possibilty as StarWars, staring in the beginin to go at end. For me the end of story is Alien III, Ripley died and we can't do anythink, and of course, Aliens not is Aliens whitow Sigourney Weaver...so...we need find some argument that make her lost minor sensible. I think in a Scientific Base...from a Real Data..you know that some sciencist believe that Aliens come to earth for "Carry Water" as an Oil Station..they come take some of water and thet leave..So can be possible, and terrorific, is one of this "aliens" or "space jokers" came to earth for water...they carrier but..they pick up someone else...can be a virus...can be a bacteria..can be microorganism...that evolute to the creature...thata exterminate all kind of life in the planet of Alien...the space joker is the only survivor...and try to find the earth for live...but he die in way...and here you have the origin of the Alien..the space joker send a signal...Weytland Yutany find it and send to nostromo for investigate what is this. Other story can be more normal and simply that aliens are the nature specie of one planet and the space joker go there to hunt they..but something going wrong..and the aliens goes to space jokers planet kill al population, just one can? Scape, in way he discover that he has one inside, desperate send a signal to warning all the universe..Weilant knows and send to nostromo's crew to investigate it knowing that is a warning signal. We have the origing of aliens and who is the guy in space ship. Last story a litle more Sci Fi, the ship is a secret ship lunchet by the US goverment to investigate a planet outside solarsistem, the space ship goes and...they find this specie, die all expecp one that turn back but in way explode for the host...he could send signal and die...Here the company capture the signal and saw that is "the lost ship" and send to nostromo to investigate it and carry it. Anyway all stories explain the origin of aliens, space jokers and conclude whit this interrogation "How did the company know, exacly the coordenates of ship"

THE ONLY ONE IS ME... MY CALL SIGN ON ALL 4 SOCOM ONLINE'S HAS BEEN THIS... "LT-HIGHTIMES" NOONE CAN EVER GET ANY HIGHER THAN THAT I PROMISE...LMFAO.

That Xeno is a bit big isn't it? :/

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It will be the only Alien movie in which i will support deeply the Alien ... eat them all !!

[quote]Frantz It will be the only Alien movie in which i will support deeply the Alien ... eat them all !! [/quote] I couldn't agree more lol I have also thought of putting the character Kramer from seinfeld and pit him against the Alien. Any thoughts?

Quote - its not supposeto be a size comparison... its just as if it was one of them posters.... like this one - Quote I know, I was pulling your leg. Poster is top class!!!

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watched again alien tonight ... two thoughts 1) the space jockey platform is slightly different ...but still very similar , so much that i start to think that is the same ship . What if the ship is shoot down on the lv426 by the prometheus crew ? 2) in the italian traslation the message "sounds like a menace" and that was interesting ..but in the original it sound like a "warning" .. that make alot of a difference , why they should warn if they want to destroy ? of course the 2 stories could not be linked directly ...

@Spartacus Well Spartacus, I will say that I have a deep “cinematic” love, or at least appreciation for the original 1979 ALIEN film. As far as the rest of the franchise, you could say…I have a 32 year old infatuation with the ALIEN “universe” cooked up by Dan O’Bannon, Ridley Scott, and H.R. Giger. My fondness of the films follow a kind of descending order. I’ll put it this goofy way: If my viewing experiences of the ALIEN films were like sexual experiences with the fairer sex, I would list them thusly: ALIEN: A loving, deep, passionate, exotic, and mysterious time…with a beautiful and romantic climax. Like in a great marriage. Truly making love. Unforgettable! :-) ALIENS: Great foreplay, followed by an exciting, semi-taboo, rollercoaster ride, with a woman I’ve known for seven years…and was always curious about. Ending with a big bang, and then a European cigarette :-o ALIEN 3: Foolin’ around with a babe that reminds me of a woman that I’m still in love with. It’s a pretty good time…but I can’t stop thinking about the one I truly love. Melancholy sex :-( ALIEN: RESSURECTION: Bedding down with a prostitute or a VERY cheap broad. We go through the motions, but it just doesn’t feel right. I can’t really respect her…because she doesn’t even respect herself. She barely resembles who she used to be. And I’m pissed off that I actually paid for this counterfeit action…in one way or another. Nevertheless, I’ll call her again next week :-(( Weird huh? I guess. But that’s the way I feel about the franchise. Unfortunately, I am not as optimistic as you are about the new PROMETHEUS film. It’s pretty much destined to fail, at least ME. Either, because it just won’t measure up as a Great film story, or because it will tweak and mess with my own personal imaginings and Alien lore. So, as an old ALIEN “dog,” I’m pretty much screwed. Of course, there is an extreme, outside chance, that it will meet or even exceed my filmic desires, but I highly doubt it. If there’s a director who can do it, it’s probably Scott. But, even he has a relatively spotty film record lately. We’ll see. “I don’t trust anybody.” ~Dallas…and Neurion “Right. You see, Mr. Parker and I feel that the bonus situation has never been on an…equitable level.” ~Neurion P.S. Thanks for cordiality and kind words in your response to my post.

BEST POST ON THE ALIEN FRANCHISE I HAVE EVER READ BY ANYONE...IN MY LIFE. WELL DONE NEURION I LAUGHED MY BUTT OFF TOO. I WOULD LOVE TO BE A FLY ON THE WALL DURING THE MOMENTS YOU ARE IN THE THEATER SEEING PROMETHEUS FOR FIRST TIME. AGAIN, INCREDIBLE POST AND NOT WEIRD AT ALL. IN FACT, YOU NAILED EXACTLY HOW I SEE ALL 4 OF THOSE FILMS AS WELL, BUT I LINGER A BIT MORE WITH THE WHORE THAT REMINDS ME OF THE OLD GIRLFREND. LMAO.

then the first AvP is like being tied with 7 horny dwarves around :D "get me out of hereeeeee " :D the second AvP is not actually THAT bad but is wave of alien cliches . if ive to point a finger to a great crew chemistry after the first alien i would surely say "sunshine" ...good movie in my opinion while i would say that " PAndorum " have a great script and a good show for ben foster ( there are some lowdowns in the movie too )

I can dig it Ruhaniya!...mine is at least a 3 ship hanger anyway. And we're drinkin' Absinthe and watchin' an ALIEN Marathon tonight. Be there or be SCARE! Main thing is...I don't want you to navigate in your condition. Friends don't let friends fly...too HIGH! Peace! ~Neurion :-{)}

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