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SasquaDash,
Gatekeeping, eh?
Question: Is Duratok, and HinikunaGoji going to get the same bill for making fun of Borenstein or is it reserved only for people who, "don't like the MonsterVerse?"
Likewise, I'm sick of your convenient targeting. You're the one who engaged with me on these topics each and every time--So for the third time, but undoubtedly not the last, if you wish to discuss this in depth my PMs are open.
Look, I don't know what your problem is, but you're condescending attitude towards anyone with a different opinion from yours is getting really obnoxious. I came here because I wanted discuss a franchise that I love with fellow fans, but this gatekeeping attitude is honestly making this whole experience unpleasant.
That's pretty immature. The guy suggested an idea that he thought could be interesting (honestly, a movie shown through Kong's point of view could be an interesting concept). There's absolutely no need to throw juvenile insults at the guy and attacking him for some of the things he worked on. I get that you don't like the MonsterVerse, but that type of arrogant, immature, attitude is kind of uncalled for. All it does is make the fandom look bad.
"Saboteur, masquerading as a bad Hollywood writer, says the genre where monsters are a mirror for humanity dealing with socio-economic, environmental and traumatic topics should ditch the humanity and just be an empty mirror."
Thats perfect.
Duratok pretty much nailed it. Headline should probably read: "Saboteur, masquerading as a bad Hollywood writer, says the genre where monsters are a mirror for humanity dealing with socio-economic, environmental and traumatic topics should ditch the humanity and just be an empty mirror."
Hopefully Legendary won't follow the wishes of a guy who made a television series flop from a Spielberg movie.
Captain Cold
Wait the xenomorph for the most part are bipedal especially in the first two movies
HinikunaGoji
true but the oxygen destroyer is still in away based off the nuke via making a worse nuke
I hate to correct you, but the oxygen destroyer wasn't an allegory for the nuke. Godzilla was, the oxygen destroyer was used to show the only way to get rid of the effects of an atomic bomb was with something much worse.
Yeah thats HOW the Comics had Shown it.... does-not make a lot of Sense though ;)
The Concept Works for Prometheus had Indicated the Deacon would Venture Out onto the Surface... but then its FATE is Unknown.
It seemed the Deacon took like 5 Days to Gestate.... by which TIME we see that David and Dr Shaw had LEFT the Moon.....
What Becomes of it is OPEN for Debate....
*HOW LONG can the Deacon Live for?
*Can the Deacon Procreate and HOW?
*WOULD its Off-Spring require a HOST to Gestate?
If we look at the Deacon it seems to be a Human Hybrid and so maybe it does NOT have to LAY EGGS... maybe it can Procreate on its Own (Asexual Reproduction) and so it may Give Birth to Live Young, that can Grow and then Procreate themselves....
IF SO then anyone who Returns to LV-223 will be in Store to Discover Many such Creatures.
I had taken the Size of the New Born Deacon before and classed it as a Mammal and then looked at a Mammals Birth Size to Adult and we would have been in for a 12ft Deacon.
Looking at Fire and Stone it indicated they would be 10ft thats NOT something to be Messed with.
I think in Context to the Franchise Universe it is about how ALL the Mythos/Religions are what Encompasses the Engineers, and its our Interpretations that Change with Time that Created the Religions and Mythos.
so its like Chinese Whispers... if you went back before we had Technology like Phones, Internet and even Mass Transport so you go back to say 1066 and say in ROME and someone Creates a Fable a Tale... this is Passed On to Town/Town it then Travels Across Europe and the Middle East to Asian and you have the Potential than in 300-500 Years this FABLE has some Differences from Country to Country and County to County within these Countries.
But they would ALL still have some Similarities... and this is the same with Various Mythos and Religions they are Different but they ALL seem to have some Common Events and Themes just TOLD in a Different Way with Gods/Creators with Different Names.
The Ancient Astronaut Theory is what Plays on this....
Its a Interesting take and ONE that if we apply it to the Franchise/Engineers is what THEY was going for.
Captain Kirk is NO GOD...........
But Imagine for a Moment that the Enterprise goes back in TIME to say 1000BC and we have the Enterprise go into Low Orbit and so can be seen behind/within the CLOUDS.... then a Away Team would BEAM DOWN.. they arrive and are Confronted by Humans who then ATTACK them and the Away Team would SHOOT at them and Disintegrate One, and Stun Another, and then they would USE one of their Devices to Heal that Human.
They then SPEAK on their Communication Devices to the Captain... he then Sends down a Replicator to then Make Food for these Humans as a Peace Offering.
How would Humans from 3000 Years ago Interpret that?
They would see like a Chariot or Castle in the Clouds, they would see Human looking beings Appear from No-Where or be Sent Down in a Beam of Light.
They Shoot Fire and Turn one of them into DUST or they just Disappear, the other is Downed and Appears Dead, but then is Magically Brought back to LIFE (maybe they are Beamed to the Ship and Return the Day after Resurrected from Death).
The Humans hear a Voice of these Visitors Leader and YET he is NOT there, they area Speaking to a Invisible Entity who is calling the Shots. These Invaders are Speaking to their God in the Sky!
But they (Enterprise Crew) reveal they are NOT invaders and then begin to Prepare Hot Food from out of No-Where but this like BOX.... and then Heal some Ailments of the Humans with the Enterprises Crews Medical Tools.
To those Ancient Humans these would be seen as Miracles like what Christ had Performed, they could be Interpreted as that way.
And so in Context with the Franchise Universe its likely that Christ was a Human Hybrid who had Tools and Knowledge that was Advanced Technology that the Humans had seen as being Magical and Divine... and so MIRACLES.
"were most likely other engineers/modified humans sent to earth"
Indeed and they could Explain the Star Maps in other Countries that had NO contact with Mainland Europe, Africa and Asia. like Mayan One, it could be these Cultures had behaved in ways that was NOT that Offensive to the Engineers and THEY had NEVER gone and Turned On or Killed their Emissaries sent by the Engineers.
It makes Further Sense for the Engineers to come down and Collect their Emissaries but maybe some Remained? It makes Sense for the Engineers to come and Visit the Cultures that are NOT being Offensive and TAKING some of them AWAY from the Earth or their Children (if they had NOT already been doing so) and so IF the Engineers had taken Humans from Earth who are NOT Corrupt etc, then they would have NO Problem with Destroying us... because they have say Obedient/Pure Humans or Infants for which they can Populate another Place with.
Engineers coming back Time to Time to Evolve and Teach us and to TAKE AWAY some Humans or Children makes Sense... Each Time they give us the Star Map...
I Believe the Map is NOT were the Engineers come from.... its NOT a Warning or a Trap........... its the Engineers showing USE as to WHERE WE CAME FROM... only at some Point this Place (LV-223) had became Corrupt, and Perverted with the Horrors we saw.
"I personally dislike them being the "engineers creators" because it would open up a god paradox as it stated it before"
Well i think it FITS with the Theme that RS seems to be going for, which will BOIL DOWN to the ONLY thing that makes our Engineers Gods... is TIME and TECHNOLOGY/KNOWLEDGE.
And so IF the Company had Gained all their Knowledge then Mankind would be able to Genetically Alter themselves to LIVE for Longer, become Physically Superior and with the Engineers Creation Tool (GOO) they can then Create/Hybrid Lifeforms and with the Engineers Ships... then we could become the GODS.
The Space Jockey had gone through a LOT of Changes... it seemed PRIOR to the Prequels the IDEA that RS had settled on was we it was a SPACE SUIT. And Considering the Concepts by HR Giger it was NO real Surprise to me when we saw the Engineers.
The Main Dilemma comes from the SCALE i would say IF you asked RS or what he was thinking back in 2005, 2000, 1995 etc.... there would be NO WAY that he would Picture the Space Jockey Suit as being something that is WORN by a 8ft Being. Our Downsized Pilot has came about from RS being Reluctant to USE any Special Effects to Digitally make our 7ft Actors become 12-15ft Engineers.
The Best Solution would be a Engineer and maybe we could have STILL ended up with this, its a Question of HOW TALL would he be? But they could go by Kanes Comment "it looks like its Grown out of the Chair" to have it that something had made the Space Jockey/Engineer go and Expand after Death.
I think as NOTHING has been 100% Spelt Out on Screen then its OPEN to Change and so any Incoming Engineer Elders could be Portrayed as being 10ft Tall.
You turn the PLOT to be that these beings had GOT to a Point they Cant Procreate and so they Created Humanoids like on Earth to then take the Females and using their DNA with the GOO they can Infect those Females Egg Cells to Create a Hybrid Human/Engineer and these are WHAT we see on Planet 4.
I think with the Synthetics we have to remember their Outer Layer is just a Synthetic Skin, beneath this is where they are more Mechanical, i think if we look at the Xenomorph in Alien Covenant and could make it a more Mechanical then you have your Xenomorph from ALIEN and i do think this is the ROUTE that we would have seen Ridley Scott take....
I also think RS would have gone the route that Davids A.I is Transcended to the W-Y Systems...and so YES it could be that ASH has Davids Soul in him.
As FAR as what would Happen to David.... i think if we follow the THEMES from the Prequels then his DEATH/END would come from HUBRIS, his own Creation would be his Downfall and THIS may NOT mean the Xenomorph as i think that in Alien Covenants Sequel we would have seen David go and Create something else.
The other thing with a Conclusion (we can Assume Davids Conclusion will lead to the Space Jockey) then the Space Jockey seemed to maybe have been trying to PREVENT the Xenomorphs from doing any Harm, RS had indicated before it was a Benevolent Act as in trying to Quarantine the Cargo.
Depending on HOW they was to Conclude the Prequels, it could be that David has decided to USE his Xenomorphs on his own Creations and then Intend to take them to Earth but we could see the Space Jockey being ONE of his Creations who attempts to PREVENT this....
Who knows... we shall NEVER find out i am Afraid... and whatever would become of David i do Suspect his A.I would LIVE ON in the W-Y Systems.
A Xenomorph/Human Hybrid that will Learn to use GUNS is a Different Matter and i think this would be Plausible.
I think it depends the Xenomorph is Intelligent, but i think their Killer Instincts would mean that would sense their Victims and i think they would GO IN for the Attack or Sneak around rather than to STAND BACK and Shoot.
Can they be Taught? who knows it seems you cant REASON with a Xenomorph and so it could be UNLIKELY you can Control and Teach them, and BESIDES i think seeing Xenomorphs with Guns would SUCK.
Ranged Attacks by Xenomorphs should come from some kind of Mutation/Evolution and so maybe they can Mutate so their Tails and can SPRAY ACID? Or they have like Stingers that can be SHOT and Regrown so they become like Darts that contain a Toxic then Breaks Down its Victim from inside.
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A human isn't born with the knowledge to operate ( or create) a helicopter or a cell phone......So.. I see no reason the xeno can't 'learn'? Probably just needs an education.
Who would be there to teach them? David's fate is unknown even though he most likely survivies i doubt he is going to teach the xenos how to fire an AK
That could depend on a lot of things. I really hope that it's not or that it would get spinoffs-etc. It's very hard to finish a story like that, and many things are still unanswered
I would personally say it's a tie between the spinosaurus and the carnotaurus. The second is t-rex
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Again in the monsterverse, it went back to its roots as a human weapon.
So your complaint against aliens appearing in the monsterverse is invalid since the Oxygen Destroyer being an alien device was only in the non-canon comics.
I mean, i am not really opposed to it but i don't really support it either. I mean, sure the concept is good and could be used for something interesting, but i personally don't see why they should be added.
Also yes i forgot the dates about the oxygen destroyer
I actually think you are right in that regard
Well technically, I think the jump on camels are for storing water. Also, my favorite theropod is Spinosaurus. Followed by T. Rex. Then Allosaurus.
its a Decent to see Unused Beasts and with the Dark Goo well the Choices truly are Boundless.
its a Decent to see Unused Beasts and with the Dark Goo well the Choices truly are Boundless.
Carnotaurus, my favourite theropod, is my personal fave. Mostly because it was the primary adversary in Disney's Dinosaur, which was one of my favourite movies as a kid (It was the first movie I saw in theaters). Plus, it's a cool-looking creature.
I think that the Xenomorphs are technically intelligent enough that they could use guns, however, they don't need to. They're perfectly adapted to hunting prey without advanced weaponry. The only weapons they need are already built into their anatomy, with their claws, teeth, tail, speed and stealth, guns would be pointless. In a way, that makes them more dangerous than humans, because they don't need technology to kill their prey. They don't need to carry weapons because they ARE the weapon.
A human isn't born with the knowledge to operate ( or create) a helicopter or a cell phone......So.. I see no reason the xeno can't 'learn'? Probably just needs an education.
great idea a movie entirely about the war between the Gojira and kong war
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And the comics came after the original movie, the original oxygen destroyer was made by Daisuke Serizawa; a Human, specifically a Japanese war veteran. The oxygen destroyer is an allegory to the nuke, its creator wanted to make a new renewable energy and it ends becoming a weapon.
Again in the monsterverse, it went back to its roots as a human weapon.
So your complaint against aliens appearing in the monsterverse is invalid since the Oxygen Destroyer being an alien device was only in the non-canon comics.
In the film it's unknown what happened to it.
In dark horse comics Prometheus: fire and stone, it is speculated that it mutated into a living mountain (yeah I know weird). Earlier in the comics if I remember correctly (It's been a while since I read the comics), one of the survivors who was studying the pathogen settled on the mountain, and he noticed that the mountain is growing bigger and bigger and that for some reason xenomorphs are avoiding it. At the end of fire and stone when survivors dug into the mountain in search of the beacon, they found out it's a living organism.
*one demensional
autocorrect
We’ll, now they need to worry about one deme sip all monsters
Just realized my first paragraph makes no point and just is random information.
Movies with Mechagodzilla made by humans.
Godzilla Vs Mechagodzilla 2
Godzilla against Mechagodzilla
Godzilla Tokyo SOS
GvK
Movies with Mechagodzilla made by aliens
Godzilla vs Mechagodzilla
Terror of mechagodzilla
I just thought this was interesting
My comment was mainly focused on Godzilla.Kong can talk and have dialogue and is essentially a connection between humans and Titans at this point.
It also seems lazy to me
The protomorph in covenant and AVP aliens in my opinion
I think the answer is that the xenomorphs simply aren't intelligent enough to use guns, or simply cannot use guns. We almost never see them stand on 2 legs, and their hands don't really look like they could hold one
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it leaves that Interesting Dilemma of if you Created Clones of yourself and when they was Activated they had all your Memories so you have Identical Copies of yourself... if you are a Megalomaniac maybe ONE or more of you Copies would not want to RULE/SHARE your Kingdom... there can BE only ONE and so your other Clones may even Plot to Eradicate each other.
Thats a Possibility... if each becomes Sentient.
That's true, one of the possibilities i didn't really look upon. But then again walter was made by weyland and had a different AI. Think about it this way, nearly every google account is different, but if you log into your google account on a different device it is still the same device. Perhaps made it so that his AI will automatically go to another body if the current one is destroyed. The xenomorphs look bio mechanical but it would look like the human-alien from ripley 8 at the end of alien 4 if it was david, and while yes those two andriods might be very different it would still look somewhat similar.
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I also suspect that the Special Order 937 and the W-Y Company (Agenda) would be because of by Davids A.I as he Uploads himself to the Companies Systems and his Transcendence Self is Running the SHOW.
Which would make the Franchise Revolve around David and i dont think a LOT of People would be a Fan of that.
That actually sounds interesting. One of the things most people looked over is how the andriod from the first alien (i forgot his name) called the xenomorph the "perfect organism" which david also called. And i know that it is most likely just a throwaway line, it could suggest that david's AI had some control over many events
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I think it depends what you mean by the Original Script? We had a Pitch by Jon Spaights, which was Accepted and then he went to Write 8 Drafts (i think) and with some of these Drafts its loosely Indicated by the Coincidence of the DATE that the Engineers had GOT MAD at us because we Crucified Christ.
They felt this was a LITTLE too on the NOSE and to look at it as Jesus was a Messenger and Emissary that is Sent Down to TRY and Steer us on a Track that Pleases the Engineers but we Crucified him.... But RS preferred us to look at it that at this Point 2000 Years ago that Mankind in Many Places had Started to Behave in ways that OFFENDED the Engineers and WHAT they intended for us as far as HOW we should behave. And so they Decided to Destroy us.
I was talking about that, however my knowledge is limited on that subject because i mainly know about that from youtube comments and videos. However i agree on the alternative universe theory. We know that the engineers are based on greek statues of "gods" like zeus and hades. Perhaps the "gods" that have been recorded are genetically modified humans or engineers (as you said it before). I honestly think that's the most logical theory so far. Perhaps ouranos the greek "god of sky" is one of their spaceships. This would also confirm how they know about humans crucifying jesus, as there were most likely other engineers/modified humans sent to earth
MonsterVerse writer 1: "Man, writing compelling humans is HARD!"
MonsterVerse writer 2: "I know, right?! It's impossible!"
MonsterVerse writer 1: "What if...we got rid of the humans entirely?"
MonsterVerse writer 2: "Of COURSE! You can't be criticized for writing one-dimensional humans if you don't *have* any humans!"
That's more or less how I imagine this all played out.
That's actually a great idea. Perhaps they could do a non-canon/alternate universe final wars? I don't know, it's kinda early for that. Shin godzilla/godzilla earth are also good options
