This is good to hear

I totally agree BigDave.

It was definitely not a natural cave. It's a creation of the Alien civilization. That's how I see it. I used to think it was inexplicable. Since reading the original script, I understand that it's a remnant of an Alien civilization that disappeared xy years ago but has preserved its future descendants in the form of embryos in the hope of rebuilding itself.

Perfect work and pictures, by the way. I just don't see the one above analyzing the size of the derelict. Ipad doesn't show it.

4xenotaris

I don't understand why you're writing this. Alien is a movie that has a beginning and an end. That's how the story was written, the script was written and the movie was made. A beginning and an end. It wasn't the first episode of the series.

It's hard to see how you'd feel if someone made a "sequel" to Hobbit and Smaug suddenly rose from the dead and ate the expedition. Or it turns out that there are more dragons in the cave and a vicious fight starts in which Godzilla goes up against the dragon. That's how those other Alien movies affect me.

But in the Alien universe, any nonsense is allowed. What would have infuriated LOTR fans, with the directors alien “sequel”  is every stupidity ok. Even space pirates or whatever the hell the Alien Ressurection crew is. I am affraid but curious too what will more in Alien universe  for crazy things.

Mine is Kawa Mun. Kawa Mun would be a 200ft upright standing dog-lizard being. It would be a very distant cousin of Godzilla. It would be able to spew acid or lava out of its mouth, all generated from a crest on its head. Its tail would have a stegosaurus like spike cluster to defend against any hostile attackers such as Ghidorah or Rodan.

I know that Kane Described the Cargo Hold as a Cave... seems like a Cave of some Sort (if i remember Correct) but we can Clearly see as he Descends that its Walls are NOT what you would Consider a Cave..... However we could Assume this is some Underground Storage Facility that was Carved Out of a Cave.

There have been Numerous Debates on here that KANES Comments and the Size of the Egg Chamber mean that its Definitely NOT Part of the SHIP..... and well YES it was Supposed to be Separate.

Actually though if the SHIP was 20ft Taller it would have FITTED with Ease....

With ALIEN we see the Crew Enter via the Openings but we do-not see a Minute by Minute Footage... well Kane Climbs up to the Pilot Chamber... it may seem he has NOT really Climbed that FAR.... but we maybe had NEVER see his Full Accent.

The Concept Work indicates the Pilot Room is Positioned below the Windowed Dome at the Top of the Derelict.

And so in the Image Above i have Scaled the Shot to match the Size of the Crew Compared to the Opening of the Derelict and Positioned the Pilot Chamber to a Approx Position.

There is Considerable Space Under the Pilot Chamber but its NOT QUITE Big Enough for the Egg Chamber but its Certainly by No Means as SMALL as People think (Derelict)

"The original idea was clear. The alien ship landed as an exploration vehicle much like we did on the moon. It discovered a bizarre formation full of eggs. One of the explorers was attacked by a facehugger and brought the embryo into the ship"

That was the Original Idea indeed...

However we have to Remember that the Story/Concept had Changed as we go on.

At the TIME we had Separate Pyramid, then YES the Space Jockey to speak was the Skeletal Remains of None-Human looking Alien Species.

I am sure that MOST would Agree that HR Gigers Monster and Ship are WHAT really Stood Out....  but i dont think you can then IGNORE that the Egg Chamber has that same Aesthetic....

But as Dr Shaw had said "because that's what I choose to believe"

Once they had Started the Production the Concept of a ALIEN Species who are LONG GONE and all that Remained are their Egg/Spore Stage in their Birthing Ritual Pyramid...  that was Discovered by another Unrelated Alien Species who went to Investigate and got Infected.....

Had Changed to make the Once merely a Explorer who had Turned Up at the Wrong Place/Time....  to these Species being Connected to the Actual Organisms that was then MOVED into a Egg Chamber/Silo.

The Connection was Never Answered on Screen...as of ALIEN

You dodge my question and you seem like the type of person that would rather that Frodo never complete his journey to maintain the mystery or Harry Potter should never complete his tenor at Hogwarts or the rebels don't advanced the war against the galactic empire beyond the destruction of the death star or that we shouldn't learn how the dinosaurs are in Jurassic Park? 

love this game so far, great killing experiences with online gamers. Not much hassle or strategy to deal with, a great time killer and immersion to the Alien universe. 

I guess I don't approach it so scientifically and I don't try to search and uncover the mystery. My view is (after xy time spent searching for "how it actually happened" ) without trying to explain it.

The original idea was clear. The alien ship landed as an exploration vehicle much like we did on the moon. It discovered a bizarre formation full of eggs. One of the explorers was attacked by a facehugger and brought the embryo into the ship. There, a familiar Nostromo scenario  occurred. The alien wiped out the crew, no matter how large. In Ash's words, he was indestructible. Okay maybe incredibly resilient, capable of constant self-repair. There were hints in the pyramid that it wasn't an animal. But it happened may be milions of years in past.

There just wasn't the money to carry out the plan. And no time. They started trying to figure it out. Idea after idea after idea. But it all came down to a lack of money and time. Besides, there were obviously contradictions. It was a cauldron of ideas and Alien was out of control. There were a lot of crazy ideas, and in the end, miraculously, a unique idea was born. As the ideas crossed there remained an unfinished idea for Alien germs from Dallas and Brett. It was deleted.

But another time the idea of alien bio-weapons left only Ripley's sentence. But the result was a mix that was ultimately perfect. No visible fight just a hint. Dallas' gun was empty. He had to fight the Alien and the flamethrower wasn't enough. The flames of the rocket won't burn the Alien. Another hint that there was a fight, but the flamethrower wasn't enough. Ash's words about not being able to destroy the Alien (with the crew's weapons?) at least suggest he was pretty solid.

There's just a lot of ideas coming together here and none of them finished. And that's why so many possible interpretations. Ultimately, Scott used them in Covenant. Too bad there won't be another Covenant where Scott MAY have followed through on his idea. Maybe he doesn't want to and wants to leave room for the imagination.

The result of Alien is simple. X possible hints as it were, no instructions. And that is the correct conclusion. You, the viewer, have the imagination to make up your own mind. Choose your own path of how it was. My way is based on the fact that the original script was true to the Alien structure. The alien ship hit here by accident, and the crew disposal scenario. The beacon sending the message is evidence of that choice. DON'T ANYONE LAND HERE!!

That's enough for me to rule out the idea that ship was carrying the eggs himself. The structure above dead extraterrastrial is probably the device the crew used to remove the embryo from his body. And it looks bizarre and big? Well, Giger. The sentence about the armaments is either a trick question or should have been cut but was left in. We don't know what the time pressure was to reshoot the scene. Personally, I think it's a deliberate dead end. Ripley doesn't say a word in her broadcast about what she experienced. The only warning. Yet she knew it was a matter of chance that they would find her and she knew there were a number of Alien embryos and a beacon on the planetoid. It may be sending a warning, but...

Well, I'll leave it at that. I'm not supposed to learn anything except to marvel at the perfect horror movie. A stunning Alien. A fierce battle with an unequal foe, like an open-ended supernatural horror movie. And that's the way it should be. Why Scott went crazy and started making these weird explanations is a mystery to me. Potential for product? The need to undo everything everyone else has done and laugh at everything that came after Alien? Only he knows. All I know is that he absolutely failed.

I prefer the xenomorphs being bioweapons for an ancient war between the Engineers and whatever their enemy or enemies were

The aesthetics of the derelict ship and egg chamber I believe connects the two scenes together. I mean why would an unrelated cave that resembles the interior of the derelict not be connected to the Space Jockey? You can't just say its HR Giger's style and leave it at that! Because why isn't the entire planetoid not having the same Giger style? Hmmmm?

Mine is Komodo God. Its a Komodo Dragon that evolved on Skull Island for 30 years. It grew to a height of 35 meters. It then traveled away from Skull Island. It grew gills to swim under water. It then fed on plasma energy becoming 90 meters in height. It then was able to seemingly fire a beam that a Maser Canon would fire. It still kept the ability to spit poison. It then attacked India. It decimated India. Then, it America. It first destroyed Canada, and then attacked USA. The USA government decided to drop the Tsar Bomb on Komodo God. After evacuating the whole country, they dropped the Tsar Bomb on Komodo God. After the smoke cleared, Komodo God was only with a head, one arm no legs, no tail, and to body. They defeated Komodo God, with the cost of polluting and destroying USA. The world celebrated, and they were free. Then, on Skull Island, Komodo God egg hatched out... 

So that is my kaiju   

SasquaDash

Disney wanted in on the monsterverse 

SCREEN RANT

Alien Just Revealed the True Cosmic Purpose of the Xenomorphs

Marvel continues to expand the mythos of the Alien franchise and now it has been revealed the Xenomorphs serve a larger, cosmic role.

BY SHAUN CORLEY
PUBLISHED 6 DAYS AGO

Warning: contains spoilers for Alien #6!

While Xenomorphs are regarded as ruthless killing machines throughout the galaxy, Marvel's Alien comic has revealed a deeper, more cosmic role for the creatures. In Alien #6, on sale now in print and digital, Gabriel Cruz learns the truth about his visions of 'the Woman in the Dark,' and it leads to a huge revelation about the Xenomorphs.

Earlier this year, Marvel launched a brand-new line of comics based on the Alien films. These comics have expanded the mythos, introducing the only person to ever survive being implanted with a Xenomorph embryo: Gabriel Cruz. While the embryo was inside of him, he had a vision of a horrifying figure he called 'the Woman in the Dark.' Years later, Cruz’s only son, Danny, leads a raid on a Weyland-Yutani facility in Earth orbit. Cruz is sent to the station to bring his son home, accompanied by a Bishop-model android. Cruz learns that the corporation was experimenting on captured Xenomorphs, hoping to weaponize them. Naturally, the Xenomorphs break free and wreak havoc on the station, and Cruz must escape the outbreak. While on the station, Cruz learns more about his vision from years earlier, and it leads to a stunning revelation about the Xenomorphs and their role in the universe.

Written by Phillip Kennedy Johnson, with art by Salvador Larroca, colors by GURU-eFX and letters by Clayton Cowles, the issue sees Cruz, Bishop and Danny’s girlfriend Iris try to escape the facility. Bishop approaches Iris, who grabs a gun and opens fire on him. Bishop seems to kill her, shocking Gabriel, as Bishop models are not permitted to kill. It is revealed that Iris is a rogue synth of unknown origin. She says that, thanks to Danny, Earth will become a "post-organic Utopia." Just as Cruz goes to finish her off, she tells him she has information about his visions. He presses her, and she reveals that humans were not the first organics to attempt to leave their solar system; when organics become "arrogant enough" for space-travel, they find "Prometheus' cleansing fire" waiting. Each species tries to first harness the fire, and then use it to augment themselves. Iris tells Gabriel that the Woman in the Dark is the unavoidable result of his species attempting to harness the powers of the Xenomorph.

Iris' beliefs about the Woman in the Dark aside, the revelation that the Xenomorphs are the "cleansing fire" of the universe is a huge one, hinting that the creatures have a much larger role in the cosmic scheme. This was a theme of 2012’s Prometheus, a prequel to the original Alien film, and this story serves as a callback to that movie. But while Xenomorphs have long served as a metaphor for human overreach and carelessness, their role in the fall of multiple spacefaring civilizations makes it clear that they're not just a hurdle for humanity, but a galactic test for any sufficiently advanced civilization.

The Alien comic just turned the Xenomorphs into the answer to the Fermi Paradox, explaining why organic species don't survive past leaving their home solar systems. This gives the Xenomorphs a cosmic role as a deadly test humanity is likely to fail like many civilizations before it - one that, should the human species fail, will remain to act as the extinction event for whatever new alien race happens across them next. Marvel continues their expansion of the Alien series with the revelation that the Xenomorphs serve a much higher purpose in the universe than originally thought - an idea that is sure to be expanded on as the comics continue.

The Whitespike. He not only has ranged weaponry, but seem to have more self control and intelligence than the rabid Neomorph. 

I think we CANT get to DRAWN into WHAT was Supposed to be, but more so WHAT we Actually Got.

And so YES there was supposed to be a Pyramid and there was Various Murals on the Walls......

By the TIME they got HR Giger on-board then the Pyramid had become a HR Giger Inspired Design (based off his Unused Work for DUNE). I get what your trying to CONVEY in that DUE to Budget/Time they Could-Not go and have a Separate Egg Silo/Pyramid.  So they Reused the Pilot Chair SET.....

HOWEVER the Concept Art for the Egg Chamber had a Similar Aesthetic to the Interior of the Derelict, it would seem it was a Case of RE-USE the Pilot Chamber for the Egg Chamber.  But they DID both at Concept Stage (HR Giger) have a Similar Appearance.

I Understand that in Earlier Drafts then the SHIP they First Encounter is NOT of HR Giger Design, in Earlier Drafts it was ALIEN, in the Drafts when David Giler and Walter Hill became Involved (it was a Earth Ship) the Dead Crew Described as Skeletal and (HUMAN) The Egg Silo/Pyramid a RED CYLINDER. And Kane Describes the Interior as a "Cave or some-thing below" (This was one of the Hill/Giler Drafts that Introduced ASH).

Then they Combined Parts of O'Bannons with their Draft, where the Space Ship was again ALIEN in Origin.  They Encounter a Structure that Eventually  leads down to a Cavernous Space....  which has Organic Protrusions from the Floors.  But the Eggs/Sacks are Discovered Near the Center of the Chamber, Kane Ponders its a Storage Area.

As they Recover Kane i am sure they are then shown at the Entrance to the Derelict and so MAYBE at this Stage of Drafts the Idea of the Egg Chamber being Part of the DERELICT seems Established?

There is another Late Draft where Kane does mention he is Below Ground Level but it also indicates the HOLE to the Cavern is INSIDE the Derelict. This Latter Draft changes to Leathery Urns again instead of Ovoid Sacks.

The Bottom Line..... the Story had Changed/Evolved that by the Time we had Production we had HR Giger and we would have had a Egg Silo and Separate Derelict Ship that had a SHARED AESTHETIC.

Budget Restraints had made it so the USED the Same SET for the Egg Chamber and Pilot Chamber (Bottom Half of Set as Tops where Matt Paintings).  The Shared Aesthetic indicating that the Egg Silo that became the Cargo Hold and the Derelict Ship were MADE by the Same Species

The Space Jockey was Specifically Designed to Connect to the Pilot Chair and FLY the Ship.

I dont think we can go and say the Egg Chamber is NOT in any way Connected to the Derelict Ship and its Pilot....  PURELY because HR Giger had Designed them.  But Each Person is Entitled to their Own Opinion.

I Stand By the Intention that WHO EVER had Built the Egg Chamber had also Built the Derelict Ship.....   Even IF we ONLY go by the Movie Itself.

However....doing so....

We cant Confirm/Prove that WHOEVER had Built the Egg Chamber and Derelict

1) Had Created/Engineered the Eggs or NOT.

2) Was the Space Jockey Race (they could have been Enslaved by who Created the Egg Chamber and Derelict).

I think that Originally and i mean Prior to Shooting that the Inside of the Egg Silo may have Appeared like a Cavernous Cave to Kane but he also said OR SOMETHING... so he was maybe NOT like 100%, at some Stage in the Drafts it seems Indicated this Cavern/Egg Chamber was UNDERGROUND.

THIS TOPIC.... is maybe Easier to Discuss the Space Jockey but there have been others.

YeOldFossil

You're right. After all, it's a cheaper version of the original pyramid. That is, the structures built by the Aliens.

I think leaving the questions open ended leaves room for more story opportunities. I don’t think it’s as much of a problem if the story isn’t done.

SasquaDash

It took me two minutes, and another thing is it’s definitely not trying to cater to an American audience. It’s full of references only Japanese viewers would get and there’s a lack of marketing in America as well. It didn’t take me hours to research I just knew it already and didn’t make a connection 

HinikunaGoji

I know that the show is more focused on science than action, my issue is that they don't really explain Jet's growth in the show, it just sort of happens. Godzilla vs Megalon at least gave some explanation for his growth (even if it was just a throw away line). Again, I get that the show is more based on science, but I feel like we shouldn't need to do hours of scientific research in order to understand why Jet Jaguar suddenly decided to change size.

Warthog or wild boar. Those things will ruin your day and even top predators don’t mess with them when given the choice not to.

SasquaDash

it has scientific basis like the rest of the plot, it’s a science driven story, not a action or character driven one

Yeah, it was told like that. But then Adam came out and said Godzilla was just playing with Kong the whole time and finally took the fight seriously when he got hit in the head. So basically the director just said Godzilla didn’t take Kong seriously at all and when he snapped he took Kong out in quick manner. 

Jet Jaguar in a nutshell:

Jet Jaguar grew because of Plot Convenience (same goes for his appearance in Godzilla vs Megalon), he needed to grow so he "programmed himself to change sizes".

G. H. (Gman)

our universe is in the fourth demension.

Accoridng to the physics of the show time is set and doesn’t branch off. The the clashing singular points were giving different answers.

Giger style or not, the cavern looked artificial

HinikunaGoji,
Dimensions are different than universes though. For example the fourth dimension is in our universe, we just can't see it because we exist in a third dimensional world. Archetype exists in the same universe, but a different dimension and has somehow seeped into the third dimension.

But the idea that singular points had competing solutions in our universe point to multiple possibilities. Multiple possibilities [could] mean multiple universes--each with 10 dimensions.

Monster_Zero thinks the actress for her is hot, that's why.

AND THERE'S NO WAY THAT MAIA IS THE BEST.

I would do a Godzilla Vs. Destroyah and a Kong: Hollow Earth

https://alienseries.wordpress.com/2012/12/02/the-derelictpyramidsilo/

dear lord i kinda wanna draw that-

Two Titans, Dogzilla and Cat Kong

It all depends if Warner Bros got Godzilla’s rights again…

G. H. (Gman)
I don’t think so, the other demensions talked about in the show seem to be strictly in terms 2d, 3D, 4D, 5D demensions, not alternate realities. Archetype is a 4d object, and it’s implied the kanji are as well

I don't want to correct you. That's just Giger's style. He used to paint and sculpt and stuff like that. As I wrote. If anyone else had designed it no doubt the ship and the cave would be different. Not so with Giger.

BTW it is Kane and no one else that says it is a cave BUT for Kane they had to get Dallas and Lambert down. If there was any doubt it would have shown up in the dialogue. There's no such thing. I don't care what other movies have to say about this subject but I think it's there too.

I don't care what RS invented in Prometheus and Covenant, he created his own universe based on the thesis that the skeleton of the pilot is the spacesuit and the Alien was created by David after many experiments.

So yes, I understand you. But I have to base it on reality. Which is the words

1)It's been dead for a long time. It's fossilized.
The bones are bent outwards, it must have exploded inside.
2) There's a cave, a cave. It's as hot as the tropics.

That completely precludes interpreting a corpse as a spacesuit with any logic. More: 

The ship was open. The planet was freezing well below zero. It was freezing inside spaceship too. The team's breaths are changing into steam. There's also a hole in the floor of the ship. No door. The floor is burned through with acid. I mean, if it was part of the ship, it would be freezing inside. But the conditions in the cave are different. It's warm. It's not maintained by the wreck's systems. It's the alien system. It was originally supposed to be in the pyramid. That was scrapped for the money, leaving the cave. But again, logically. If the Alien was the original species on the planet. It built the pyramids, and the pyramid was scrapped because of the money, so there's a cave on the planet instead of a pyramid. And that's where Alien's conditions are.

I know Giger was supposed to make the two environments distinctly different. He didn't. Someone thought the plot of the original Alien would be so ruined by the sequels, etc.

look at Gigers paintings. You will understand. 

Brachiosaurus were actually highly adapted pterosaurs. The hunting by flinging smaller dinosaurs high into the air and eating them when the splatted.

Andy77

Correct me if I am WRONG but didn't the "CAVE" look ARTIFICIAL to you, looked more like a CARGO BAY then a CAVE and it had the same AESTHETICS as the DERELICT