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Ha Ha.......
Yeah to be FAIR something similar to THIS VIDEO GAME is WHAT the AVP Movie should have done..... SET in the TIME-LINE like between a 2150-2250.
I Actually think a REBOOT of the AVP Franchise (Theatrical) thats SET after ALIENS or like the Video Games, is the SAFEST OPTION for DISNEY to make Money from ALIEN/PREDATOR Franchises..... IF its done Right!
It does-not even have to Connect to ALIEN/ALIENS... it can be a Alternative Canon where Xenomorphs and Predators are Encountered, but their First Encounter/Origins does-not have to be as we saw with Predator or Alien etc.... but you have to have it SET in the Future in Space like say HOW ADVANCED we see Mankind are in say ALIENS.
Sorry for being OFF TOPIC.... i was just saying that the Video Games for the Most Part are Good and this Game from 2001 is a FINE EXAMPLE and a Influence that they should have looked at for the Eventual AVP Movie..... but ALAS!
Certainly the Human Impact is KEY.......
If you had some say Colonial Marines or the Sort who have Suffered Injuries and some are getting OLD... (in their 50's) if you had them SIGNED UP for a Chance to BECOME a Part of a Elite Military Unit... where they would be TOLD they can have their Ailments Fixed..... Oh so you Private had Lost your Legs... well we can GIVE YOU some Legs, make you Better than you WAS... but you have to do a TOUR of Duty for us.... Serve us for 5-10 Years and we will FIX YOU FIRST!
So we can look at it as a MORE ADVANCED Version of the 6 Million Dollar Man, like a Robocop...... Every One who Signs up get NEW ARMS/LEGS they get Enhanced Sight and Hearing and other UPGRADES....
They are like Super Human!
But then they DISCOVER they are either being CONED... they are Expected to Serve Beyond the Time they Thought or they are SENT on Missions that they then TOTALLY Disagree with as they are NOT MORAL!
But any Protest is MET with the Fact the Company can Dis-activate all the UPGRADES.... your Basically left with Arms/Legs you cant MOVE/USE, your Hearing and Sight goes.....
They then Discover that as Cyborgs they Actually have as MUCH FREEDOM as a Synthetic Robot.... they DO as they are TOLD... or they become Imprisoned in a Shell that Can-not go and Move or See or Hear... a Nightmare... where they could SCREAM! but NO-ONE would Hear them as they get LOCKED AWAY in a POUND or something...
UNTIL they Submit to Serve and get Re-Activated.
But this Basically is Universal Solider meets Robocop... but you can be SURE that the Shady W-Y or/and USM have Conducted Similar in the Past/Future.
Again this is ANOTHER STORY/PLOT that you could TELL in a Anthology Series (One Season) which is WHAT i think the Franchise should do (become a Anthology Series a bit like American Horror Story).
I would RATHER had seen a ANTHOLOGY Series like say AMERICAN HORROR STORY.... now i dont mean they Re-Use the Cast...
Just you have a TV Series thats SET in a Time-Line it can have Flash Backs, and its SET about a Certain Aspect thats Connected to the Franchise.
The Next Season you CHANGE where it is SET and the TIME-LINE bit and the PLOT, (it does NOT have to be about the same as the 1st Season) but you have some Elements of the Plot that Connect to each Series/Season like you have with AHS.
You see there are MANY ELEMENTS to the Franchise beside those Eggs, Queen etc etc.... and Ripley. But its WHAT IF some Fans or a MASS are Expecting the Series to Revolve around the Xenomorph and then more so Each Season.
I think RS will be Proven Right... that IF we go the Route of Showing the Xenomorph over and over, then WHAT do you do when it gets STALE and i think it could well get STALE/OVERCOOKED.
By that i DONT want to see the Xenomorph/Franchise become something of a MESS/JOKE like the Terminator Franchise has become... and Predator is CLOSE after the AWFUL Last Outing!
RS wanted to Explore things like the Company, the Founder and Agenda, and to Touch on the Synthetics Origins etc... and the BIG ONE... to look at the Space Jockey and Expand the PLOT on WHO they are....
Where the Xeno was merely just a Bio-Weapon they Created (Evolved from something they Created) and they INTENDED to USE it on US...... RS felt the Bigger Question is WHY?
But i dont think the TV Series will Touch on the Prequels much... it seems it COULD be about World Building well the Start of that RACE to Exploit Space and other Worlds..
But it will MAINLY be about HOW we have Companies and Rich Guys who look to EXPLOIT the Common Person and have some People who have NOT MUCH going for them Believe they have been GIVEN a OPPORTUNITY.... but they are Merely going to be Exploited...
The Xenomorph will come into PLAY....
But i also think it will look at the Advancement of A.I and Robots and Synthetics and the POTENTIAL PIT FALL of Creating such things.... but i know thats NOT to everyone's Cuppa Tea.... but i think it Depends on HOW MUCH or LITTLE like Emphasis is Placed on them....
The MAIN thing has to be about Characters, who the Average Joe can Connect with and the Danger and Exploitation they Find themselves in...... People like we saw with the CREW of the Nostromo.... People like say the Hadleys Hope Colonist.
Not to say it has to be about THEM... oh NO it has to NOT be about them but Similar..... and so Basically some Working Class People and Families maybe Who are THINKING they are being Tasked with a Opportunity to Benefit themselves... and are TOTALLY like Unaware of the TERROR they will Face... while someone at the TOP... Powers that Be... will Learn about this but see it as a Opportunity to Exploit more Common People for their Greed/Gain!
I just DONT think you should have such a STORY to be SET ON EARTH.... or SET prior to ALIEN... and also... WHY should the Threat/Terror always be the Xenomorph?
Yeah i guess TIME will TELL...
I suspect it will take Elements from the Prequels and Franchise and Put a Different Spin on them, Introduce them maybe in a Different Way? I just Suspect it would be kind of a RETCON.
Bit like with AC i think some of the Marketing for Prometheus (the Weyland Industries Website) with its Details and Time-Line i think that SOME of this had been CHANGED to FIT with Alien Covenant and thats WHY the Prometheus Viral Website was taken DOWN.
If the TV Series would USE the Ted Talk 2023 with Peter Weyland as Canon, then THIS does take Place in the NOT TO DISTANT FUTURE.... If we look at AC the Prologue then Guy Pearce was 49 when he Shot that Scene.... going by the Prometheus Viral Site for Peter Weyland he was Born in 1990 and so the Alien Covenant Prologue could be SAY in the Year 2039 (he would have been about 33 in the Ted Talk but Guy Pearce was about 45 when he did that Scene).
We do-not know if the TV Series will TOUCH on the Weyland Company and Peter Weyland at all? If the Activation of David (Prologue) was say around 2040... i do SUSPECT the TV Series will IN PART be SET in and around 2040-2050.....
The Biggest Issue for me is that a TV Series set say around 2050 some 70+ Years before ALIEN and will Introduce us to a Xenomorph and ON EARTH... this is Worrying for me.
I think you have to TRY and do something NEW with the Xenomorph because lets FACE IT...
In ALIEN he was just a Alien/Space Jason Voorhees (The DC made it have a Purpose). In ALIENS what we had was Basically a Bi-Pedal Alien Insect like Hive Monster... like HOW a Bee, Ant, Wasp and Termites would Operate but more Deadly and Intelligent.... but NOT LIKELY to be Creating their Own Tech and Leaving LV-426.
I dont think the Prequels had Dis-credited it too much... it was something more FERAL and Aggressive, it NEVER QUITE showed the Level of Intelligence that we saw in Alien/Aliens.
some Fans may have been Disappointed the Xenomorph was the Result of a Experiment on some Biological Warfare... but THIS is HOW we had RS see it for MANY YEARS....
His Stance Changed to from being a Engineered Killing Machine, to something that EVOLVED from the Black Goo Pathogen....... then we saw this Changed to it being a Engineered Experiment by a Android David... which i think its ONE of the Biggest Problems that Fans had with Alien Covenant.
So it will be Interesting to see HOW the TV Series will Address the Xenomorph Origin, and WHEN/HOW/WHERE to they Discover it and HOW/IF its Connected to the ONE in ALIEN/ALIENS or from Alien Covenant.
It will be Interesting to see IF we have any Mention or Connection to the Engineers and IF this will be 100% Canon to the Prequels or IF they may Alter the Story/Plot a Little.
Regarding the Action and Special Effects... it seems to be Implied we will have a Slow Burner... before we then GET INTO some Serious Action and Effects. The Slow Burner would ALLOW for some Character Development as you dont have to RUSH or be Forced into making Characters Work within the Constraints of 2 Hours.
"To me alien means unknown, and that also includes unknown worlds"
Exactly i think that having a TV Series that will Introduce the Xenomorph thats SET both Prior to 2080 and on Earth could be a MISTAKE!
monsterzero9,
Designer Shinji Nishikawa confirmed the inclusion of tubes as genitalia in the Godzilla Final Wars Super Complete Works. Godzilla Defense Force was the first English language source to confirm it.
Good episode.
Agree with the Chad name.....Not a name I'd expect 200 years in the future!
I feel better about Hawley now...But they didn't talk about their feelings on the TV series set in the 21st century and on Earth. ( of course, waiting for the show to be released, then commenting is what they shoul do.....but that's boring! lol!)
Sorry I should have clarified its the anniversary of the video game AVP2 and not AVPR
what source confirmed that fw hedorah was a male?
monsterzero9,
What specifically? It's certainly confirmed the Hedorah in Final Wars is a male.
badassery was not what i was going for at all!
oh well
so its just a theory.
was it live action or animated? this sounds a tiny bit like the anime Parasyte. if it's not then i have no clue.
BD: Oops, wrong thread. That was a reply to the thread Where to go next, or something similar. How much it will respect the prequels seems to me to depend on if there is anything to find in the prequels. If I would make the TV-series, that's how I would think, not sure how those on Disney will look at it.
The ancient threat seems interesting to me. Yeah the AI (androids) could be interesting but it depends on how you do the characters and if they will not be what the story is about.
I think that the should uplift the Xeno instead of reducing it like Ridley did. Not to say that the Xeno is what it should be about but he disrespected it in the prequels and focusing a lot on what wasn't interesting (androids) or giving it too much of a role is a better way of putting it. Say what you will about Aliens but to me there is no competition between the prequels and Aliens because it's simply better (except for maybe how it looks).
You mention what JC saw the Xeno as, maybe there is a way to combine the Ridley idea and what Cameron wanted? At least Cameron didn't consider it being a result of a dumb robot.
You mention it being action-centered. I don't mind slow paced movies to a point. There is no need to just have action scenes, there is a need for a mix but AC was too slow. My suggestion is to have it faster than AC, but slower than Aliens. Special effects is nice but that's far from what I would like to see in a TV-show or movies. Give me a good story and well-made characters and I'm fine.
Not too sure if it's a good idea to have it on earth but if there's a way to deal with it then maybe. To me alien means unknown, and that also includes unknown worlds. We'll see how it turns out but I'm a bit sceptical.
Maybe, it depends on how it's done. To be honest I'm not too much well-read about the differences between those kinds of things. I guess that I know fairly well what the difference is between a robot and an android though. Keep it about how humans react to it because it's about the human journey, but I'm not against having that in the alien-franchise.
I immediately thought of AVPR, because that's AVP 2 movie-wise. Fortunately for me I continued reading your post, so I saved myself from a complete shock. :D
Indeed such a Fantastic Video Game for its Time....
I think that Call is a Interesting Character... a Artificial Being that is Created by Synthetics, its HARD to say if Call is more Organic than the Synthetics.
When we look at Walter he seems to be more Organic than Bishop and Ash, who seem to be more like David.
Call does seem to be more Sentient/Free-Will than Bishop, Ash and Walter but with David i think he is 100% a Totally Sentient Being with FREE-WILL.
The Neomorphs came about from the Puff Balls (kind of Spore/Fungi) the LIKELY Origin of them is some of the BLACK GOO had leaked from a URN after the CRASH and had came into Contact with some Fungi/Spore or Mold and EVOLVED them to become a Hybrid Spore that Creates the Neomorphs.
We dont know HOW the Neomorph would Procreate what we do see is the Neomorph and Xenomorph in Alien Covenant seemed VERY DRIVEN by Instinct and were VERY Aggressive.
I am NOT sure we would have seen the Neomorph again it DEPENDED on WHERE we would see Ridley Scott take us in the Sequels, the Xenomorph would have Appeared again... and i SUSPECT that Ridley Scott would have SHOWN us the Egg Morph Method of Procreation.
I think the WHITE SPIKE is more Deadly than the Xenomorph and Neomorph. To me the Xenomorphs method of Procreation is WHAT is the Horrific Part about it. And i mean the Eggs/Contents rather than the QUEEN.... thats NOT to HATE on HER..... as SHE would KICK the White Spikes Ass for sure.
What does this have to do with ALIEN? Post this on the MCU page
I don't think we have seen the full capability of the neomorph yet, they are still shrouded in mystery. Like how do they reproduce those tiny egg sacks? Are they pack hunters, do they have a hive structure like their xenomorph cousins?
Great points.
"WHAT IF.... a Synthetic Body and Brain was so ADVANCED you could Transfer a Humans Consciousness, Emotions and SOUL if you would into that Synthetic Brain/Body...."
This reminds me of the classic anime movie Ghost in the Shell (1995) and the classic anime series Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex
I think this is a Interesting Topic....
In Context to the Franchise we have to REMEMBER we are talking about Science Fiction and SET in the Future, i think that Cybernetic Parts would be something we would SEE in REALITY we already have such NOW, but its NOT as Advanced as we have seen in SCI-FI but we would ONE-DAY reach that Level.
A LOT of Space Sci-Fi have Similar things and so Cybernetic Components to a Human would NOT be that ALIEN to the Franchise, as Technology Advances then YES surely we could have Cybernetic Enhanced Humans.
People who have LOST a LIMB or a EYE and have Cybernetic (Synthetic) Replacements would NOT be out of Place within the ALIEN Franchise.
To get to the LEVEL that we have with Arnaud Eisenberg would be more complicated but its NOT BEYOND the Realms of Science when we look at Sci-Fi.
If we take ROBOCOP then the Original was a Cyborg... but in the Reboot they have MUCH MORE of their Body as Cybernetic/Synthetic (Artificial) all that was Organic in the Reboot was the BRAIN, HEART, LUNGS and Parts of the Nervous System... with Arnaud Eisenberg he was just a Organic Brain in a Completely Synthetic Body. Should this be something we should-not or could-not see in the ALIEN Franchise?
I cant see WHY NOT.
Terminators are well just SKINJOBS i would not say they were that much of a Cyborg.
The Interesting thing with a CYBORG that has ONLY the Brain as Organic is HOW does this Interface with the Synthetic Components, you would have to have some kind of IC/Computer/Software as a Bridge.... and so WHAT is Interesting and HORRIFIC... is IF that Software/Computer Component is HACKED so that your Brain has NO-CONTROL over the Body, Imagine being ONLY a Brain in a Body you have NO-CONTROL OVER!
It would be WORSE than being Paralyzed from the Neck Down.... because WHAT IF that Body is doing things that YOU DO NOT LIKE or WISH to do?
A Human Brain that is IN FULL CONTROL of its Synthetic Components and Actions would NOT be Classed as a ROBOT.. they would be Considered a Human to a Large Degree.
But HERE is a FLIP-SIDE Question......
WHAT IF.... a Synthetic Body and Brain was so ADVANCED you could Transfer a Humans Consciousness, Emotions and SOUL if you would into that Synthetic Brain/Body....
Would you be Considered a Human? would you have the same RIGHTS as a Human? I am sure a Human Brain within a Synthetic Body would, but a Human Soul thats Contained in a A.I/Brain thats a Interesting thing to Ponder.
IF we look at Military Application then YES you would think in the FUTURE and so INDEED with Sci-Fi you would look at HOW you can Enhance a Human as a Combat Operative. I think that YES that Autonomous Robots or Synthetics would make GOOD MILITARY Troops.... the Lack of Control could be a Worry if they are Autonomous, and IF they are Very Autonomous and become Sentient that would be a MASSIVE PROBLEM.
And do to Enhance your Troops with Cybernetics would make more Sense, and so YES i think there is ROOM to have Cyborgs within the Franchise.
And so the Question i Raised could be Interesting in another way, BECAUSE i think the Future of Robotics and Military would more likely be a Synthetic/Robot/Machine that are Remote Controlled by a Human so it would be say like AVATAR but the Avatars are Synthetic/Robotic Machines rather than Cloned Alien Species.
I know that may seem OFF-TOPIC but i was just looking at it as IF you was to PUT a Human Brain into a Synthetic Body, i think the BETTER THING to do from the Perspective of those WISHING to do this would be to have a Advanced A.I that cane be Interfaced with like we see in AVATAR... or where you Transcend your Memory, Emotions and Self Consciousness into the Robot/Synthetic.
But thats NOT to say you would NOT go and have Cyborgs... like a Army of Robocops etc... so YES i think that its LIKELY we could have CYBORGS within the Franchise.
SasquaDash,
I suppose since the Hedorah from the Showa series is in a different continuity, and I don't know of a source explicitly stating it as female, it's possible. The assumption has largely been that since it does not have the protruding tubes, and elongated appendage, ala Final Wars Hedorah, that it was female.
Showa Hedorah was female? I always assumed that it was a hermaphrodite.
monsterzero9,
The Showa Hedorah was female.
you mean theres a female hedorah(s)?
The 2004 Hedorah (which is the suit being used) has tubes spewing smog which is apparently just a trait in males.
whats hedorah spitting out at 0:10?
looks to me like smog.
Wonder if anyone has more space than Chris
heheh yeah
xp queries? *insert hand holding xp*
your all insane
i, personally, don't see it often but when i do it's pretty cool
Hinikunagoji,
what are you?
