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for some reason this thread reminds me of that one Jack Stauber short "hot dogs"
because y'know...there's a baby....and his name is Dougie...
i have a weird brain you know what
what they should do is show us what happened to hadley's hope how it went from a relatively nice place (minus all the storms and stuff) to a massive xenomorph hive with remains of a battle that we never got to see, like how would the doctors there react to seeing the facehugger on newts father, how the company then realized that ripley was right and that if they can weaponize them they could make a fortune so some of the members of the colony are actively working behind the scenes trying to help expand the hive but to a controllable sense but they lose control and it spirals from there and the others realize what they had done and need to either sacrifice them to the aliens or keep them alive to help fight off the aliens but some of the people who caused the original problem still think they can fix it so there would still be human conflict
"As a Movie Franchise... i feel there is Potential.... Needs a TOTAL REBOOT."
AGREE 200%
"Personally i like to VIEW them as 3 Different Franchises.........."
I agree as well, mainly due to my disappointment of how the AVP movies were executed
" if a Queen Dies and there are 3 Praetorians then WHAT DETERMINES which becomes the Next Queen?"
1. They would either fight each other to the death become the new queen.
2. The strongest/victor releases a chemical to make the weaker praetorians submit.
3. They all become queens but the most dominate Queen molts into an Empress like in AVP2
Yeah its Complicated.....
The ALIEN Franchise is its OWN Franchise, the PREDATOR is different as though it was a Easter Egg, in PREDATOR 2 we did have a Xenomorph Skull which implies that the Xenomorphs do Exist in the PREDATOR CANON.
The AVP Franchise is just a MASH-UP its a Mixing of the Franchises to make a Alternative Combined Universe.
Personally i like to VIEW them as 3 Different Franchises..........
I think with Predator 2 we do have the Xenomorph Skull, and so you could TAKE THAT as they are Connected..... some Alternative Endings to THE PREDATOR would have made a Connection to the ALIEN Franchise but were STUPID and Conflicting... (TIME TRAVEL) but then the Ending we got was also Silly but then MOST of that Movie was lol.
I think its NOT WISE to Connect ALIEN and PREDATOR... keep them Separate, so any Connecting Movies that become Tarnished because they are BAD could Tarnish the BOTH Franchises....
Does that mean there should be NO AVP?
Nope... i merely think you have that as another ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE where you Combine the ALIEN and PREDATOR.... i think its FUN, Action Packed and while VERY COMIC LIKE...... i think IF its done RIGHT it could be the MONEY MAKER for Disney.
I am BUSY this weekend but i will LOOK at your AVPU Work, i applaud you for your Efforts ;)
The AVP Franchise works as a Video Game, more so than Separate ALIEN/PREDATORS...... it works as a Comic...
As a Movie Franchise... i feel there is Potential.... Needs a TOTAL REBOOT.
"I don't recall bring up the xenomorph's gender"
Yeah i was on about in General ;) i never implied you had Mentioned they have Sexes etc ;)
I was just referring to HOW you (THEY) could Explore the Procreation and that IF they try and COPY the Insect World too much like Mating or Fertilizing etc, i dont think this would be the RIGHT way to go. I think you have to look at the Xenomorph as NOT having any SEX (Asexual) and can Procreate via some kind of Parthenogenesis
I see the Xenomorph as a Adaptive Species one which can EVOLVE to its Environment and the AGENDA seems to be Simplistic.... SURVIVAL/PROCREATION.
And so i think IF the Xenomorph would Evolve it would Evolve to more SIMPLE METHOD than to make it more Complex. So say coming up with a Prince/King that then MATES with the Queen to Produce some NEW kind of Xenomorph i dont think would be WISE (thats me not saying your Suggesting this though).
If they go for say a Prince/King then i think the ONLY thing they should Impregnate is the Hosts Directly (like the Pred-Alien) or Egg Morph.
Another thing about Evolving the Procreation, would be that IF we saw a Egg Morph then maybe the EGG MORPH would Contain a Chest Buster, because having say a Large Egg Created that Contains a Face Hugger does make the Process become Complex a little...... when looking at a Evolution of the Agenda to Procreate/Survive.... i would like to see a Egg Morph where it Hatches/Opens to Reveal a 2-3ft Xenomorph that can Grow..... so it BY-PASSES the Need to Face Hug another HOST.
But i know this is something that some Fans would NOT want to see as the Face Hugging and Chest Bursting Scenes are some of the Most Terrifying and Horrific and ICONIC Scenes... but they are something we have seen OVER and OVER.
I think RS was going to look at Exploring the Egg Morph, i do-not think he would have Introduced us to a Traditional James Cameron Queen had RS got to Finish his Prequels... it seems RS saw the Queen as a Evolution.
I suspect that DISNEY would Continue with the Queen => Eggs route, and that a Face Hugger is the STARTING Process to ALL the Xenomorphs. Which to be Fair when we see ALIEN 3 then we have to Conclude that the Queen was Implanted into Ripley by NO OTHER MEANS but a Face Hugger. We do have the Deleted Royal Face Hugger Scene.
The Egg Morph does look a bit Strange as well in ALIEN the Egg looked Much Larger than those on the Derelict..... i would ONLY go and Assume these Egg Morphs would SHRINK in Size, before the Face Hugger is Fully Developed.
So MAYBE if we ever get to see a Egg Morph they can take this Concept but make the END PRODUCT something Different?
Regarding the Praetorians then i can see they are Based off the Roman Body Guards where the BEST OF THE BEST are Chosen... so the Idea of a more Powerful/Resilient Xenomorph as a Guardian to the Queens kinda make some sense.... But i feel the Warriors are more than Adequate.
I think there is STILL a lot to Speculate as FAR as to HOW do we get a Queen, and what PREVENTS there being more than ONE of them..... or do we Accept they are a Species where you can have Multiple Queens in a Single Hive that work together?
I think the Idea of Procession to the Throne is Different in the Insect World than in the Human World..... and i guess within Context to ALIEN and Sci-Fi then if you Explored say the Praetorians that can MOLT to a Queen, i guess you could do that.... you have to think HOW/WHEN would this Happen... if a Queen Dies and there are 3 Praetorians then WHAT DETERMINES which becomes the Next Queen?
Or do you only look at their ROLE as just the Personnel Body-Guard of a Queen?
yeaaaaaaaa, suuurrrre you don't. l:D
I mean I don’t love him.
godzooky,
truly the most petryfing creature on planet earth
this theory debunked:
doug is doug.
and we love him
I don't recall bring up the xenomorph's gender, I always assumed they were asexuals. Not hermphrodites but asexuals.
I always thought of the Praetorian as a back up Queen, especially in hives that have multiple queens.
Also Praetorians according to the games have a higher resistance to bullets then the warriors and drones.
Also, side note, he should have been called "Titanus Spike"...
Heh, I like that. That's funny
Yeah, "Titanus Doug" is more than likely just a close relative of Godzilla. I was just thinking of the potential what if scenario of having him be the same species as Godzilla and how it could tie in to a new interpretation of Minya or Godzilla Junior, speculating on the growth cycle of Godzilla's species.
Legendary's statement of "Doug" being an ancestor to Godzilla is really interesting though. What if the Titanus Gojira species is a mutated form of the Titanus Doug species? In Godzilla vs Kong, they mentioned that the Hollow Earth energy source was nearly identical Godzilla's energy. Maybe a group of Dougs fed on that energy causing them to mutate and evolve into the Gojira species, explaining why the Hollow Earth energy readings matched Godzilla. It also kind of ties into the novelization, where they mention the Iwi legend of Godzilla, referring to him as "a lizard that ate a star" which caused him to gain his power.
I feel like they need to give Madison at least one last chance.
Also they really should have killed off anyone but our boi Ishiro in KOTM.
It will always be Doug.
According to the GvK artbook “Doug” is an ancestor of Godzilla I don’t think references to Minya and like were intentional.
Also about strange growth cycles, if you want a real life example of them search this “Tunicates” and yes they really are chordates
Old topic. I have nothing further to add here. Thanks for the bump though
Also, side note, he should have been called "Titanus Spike"...
i'm scared yet intrigued
i've seen worse, i have seen worse.
but this is up there.
Well giving this Thought again.... then the Simple Explanation comes from ALIEN COVENANT.
Which i mentioned before.... we can ASSUME that the Eggs in the Room where David takes Oram to become Infected, had been Planted and GROWN from those Smaller Eggs we see on the Table of his Workshop. The END of the Movie we see that David has TWO Small Face Huggers..... NOW these are NOT going to Face Hug anyone... so they MUST at some Stage GROW!
And so WHY cant a Queen Lay Smaller Eggs that can GROW?
This would be the Easiest Explanation......
When it comes down to the Praetorian i know this was another COOL Creation where you can have a Xenomorph that is a Cross Between a Queen Aesthetic and a Warrior. With Praetorian being a Roman Body Guard. I can see that the Xenomorph one was a Creation to give the Queen some Bodyguards but i dont see WHY as the Warrior Caste should be Good Enough.
I understand they are like a Final Stage of Evolution of some Xenomorphs where they MOLT to become Larger and they then REMAIN in the Hive to Guard the Queen, but i just DONT think its Necessary.
I think a Queen remains as LARGE as she is so SHE has some Physical Dominance over her Brood.... i think that other Larger Xenomorphs should come from Larger Hosts.
But this is just my Opinion, this does-not mean a Praetorian should NOT be something to Explore. I just dont think its Necessary as a Guard as the Warriors should be Good enough for this Task.
However... a Praetorian as a Evolution of a Xenomorph or a Engineering of one is something that could be Interesting...
Especially if its from the Genetic Experiments by Engineers, or Humans or Synthetics. (or other Species). A Tinkering with the Genetics of a Queen, that then Produces something like the Praetorian Aesthetic.
I would have this Creation/Evolution as something that could become a THREAT to the Queen rather than a Body Guard. A Variant that takes the Procreation to a more Efficient Method.
By that something like what the Pred-Alien had done in AVPR, where it would go to a HOST and Directly Impregnate them with a Embryo (does not have to be Multiple like in AVPR). You have a Smaller Procreating Xenomorph than the Queen a 10ft Variant, that ACTS as a Walking Face Hugger.
I think that IF they Explored the KING in this way, something that Infects a Host like a Face Hugger that can WORK..... but i would NOT have the KING being Larger than the Queen.... IF they introduced something like this then it should be 10-12ft Tall.
If instead of a Praetorian we had a like King or Prince lets say (which came about as a Evolution or Experiment) then MAYBE.... this could allow a Queen to the Modify its Eggs to Create a Larger Version (Praetorian) to Protect her from the Prince/King.
So what i am saying is is DONT think you NEED to have Male/Female Xenomorphs who MATE... no King lives with Queen.... any such Evolution/Experiment should become a Rivalry/Threat to a Queen.
I dont think you NEED to have 10ft Body Guards for the Queen unless there is a Larger Threat to the Hive that Xenomorph Warriors can-not DEAL with.
But when it comes down to Comics, Games and Novels they are FREE to Explore what they wish, and if we get FUTURE like Movies or TV Shows that WISH to Expand and Explore what is Shown in the Comics... well i think that is something that Fans would have to Accept...
I think there will always be Different Views on the Xenomorph, and how to Expand/Explore it that Differ.... seems that RS and JC have differences in HOW they would Explore/Expand it.... and it REALLY does Depend on HOW it is that DISNEY would Choose to Expand or NOT on the Species.
I think that when it comes down to the Xenomorph and Procreation then anything can be Possible if we are looking a Surviving Species that can Adapt/Evolve at a Rapid Pace.
When it comes down to Variants i think again this is Possible because we have to look at the Xenomorph as ONE of the Following.
1) A Engineered Organism, that can be Engineered/Re-Engineered to Produce Variants inc Procreation.
2) A Engineered Organism, that gains the Ability to Evolve to Produce Variants inc Procreation.
3) A Ancient Organism that has the Ability to Evolve to Produce Variants inc Procreation.
4) A Ancient Organism that that can be Re-Engineered to Produce Variants inc Procreation.
I think with the Comics and Video Games you have things Introduced because they LOOK COOL.... i think sometimes you have to maybe look at WHY and at Simplicity. But to NOT go and Overlook/Contradict what we had seen in the Franchise, which maybe we also have to include the Prequels.
The Egg Morph was the ORIGINAL Concept.... as it was NEVER SHOWN apart from the Directors Cut then this allowed James Cameron to introduce a Egg Laying Queen.
We as far as Theatrical have NEVER seen HOW the Queen could come to be, the Deleted Scene from ALIEN 3 had shown a Royal Face Hugger but as with the Egg Morph as these were NOT shown they can be Dismissed.... UNLESS they are introduced or Explained.
Maybe the Xenomorphs Procreation (Eggs) should be LEFT to Mystery which includes on HOW we get to a Queen.
I think the Comic Books (some) have tried to TIE IT more to the Insect Kingdom, but i FEEL we are looking at a ALIEN ORGANISM (well something with ALIEN Origins). The Egg Morphing is Very Alien, its more like a Virus in that it Changes a Hosts DNA.
I think we have to look at a Simple and YET say ALIEN way of looking at the Procreation, if the Xenomorph is the Perfect Survivor and Organism. Some Hive Insect Species have to Procreate via a Male/Female where they Mate (Termites for Example), some can Procreate without Mating but it Requires to Mate to Obtain Sperm to then Select which Eggs the Queen wishes to Fertilize. Some Species of Hive Insect the Queen is Created via HOW it is FED as a Larva.
But to me i would look at it as making it SIMPLE and i do-not Consider the Xenomorph to be Male/Female, and so for it to be more a Survivor and NOT to be Dependent on certain Aspects of Procreation, then i FEEL that the Xenomorph should have NO kind of Sexual Reproduction.... not in the Traditional Sense.
A Queen should be able to Produce Eggs without Needing to Mate (Parthenogenesis) i think we could look at the Queen being able to Genetically Modify the Eggs to Produce a Variant, or/and that Pheromones are USED to Prevent other Eggs becoming a Queen or Drone.
I just DONT think we should go the Route where we have Male Xenomorphs that Mate with the Queen..... i know Comics can introduce such thing for the sake of being COOL! But i dont think its Necessary. A Example is the Xenomorph King.... it looks COOL but then in Context to the Xenomorph we have to ask WHY? as in WHY would there NEED to be a King if a Queen can do all the Egg Laying, and Drones can Egg Morph!
I have NOT looked into the KING CONCEPT, i have Spoken to someone who said they can MATE with a Queen to make Superior Xenomorphs... but i think its NOT something thats Necessary.
I dont think Xenomorphs should HAVE SEX... i dont think its Needed.... but then Indications are that the Xenomorph was Sexually Assaulting Lambert. But i felt it was NOT needed... (maybe it can WORK if we Accept David as the Creator as he is Frustrated he cant Procreate as he lacks what MALES have).
But i think that Sexual Assault should be in a Different Way.... as in the Xenomorphs method of Procreation means a HOST will have to Gestate and become MOTHER so to Speak to the Xenomorph, so its kind of a Non-Consensual Pregnancy so to Speak..... the HOST is Raped by the Face Hugger.
And IF we do Explore the Egg Morph then again this is maybe Similar as a HOST is Attacked by a Xenomorph and Defiled so to Speak where it becomes a Egg.
I’d honestly have the film focused on new non monarch involved characters, and tell it from their side. Through the Titans war, they get sucked into Monarch, similar to what happened to Ford in G14. They would be suspicious of the government organization and we would probably see cover ups and untrustworthy things done by the organization even if the world knows about Titans.
Hadley's Hope - 6 month supply ship docked, cargo offloaded. Crew in bar grabbing a beer in downtime overhear chatter regarding a Mayday call from a family of wildcatters and see vehicles heading out of the complex to assist.
Hours later, whilst prepping the ship for departure, heightened gossip and whispering in the cargo dock regarding why medlab is locked down, operations are keeping out non essential personnel and rumours of a strange animal attached to someone's face..
A short while later, as the supply ship is powering up and awaiting departure clearence, an alarm sounds - coms calling security personnel to medlab. Still awaiting clearance for take off from operations. Shit, we're on a schedule here.. Can't risk getting caught up in quarantine procedures over dumb ass colonist issues.. The button is hit.. The loading door closes, a small fleshy coloured, snake-like tail can be seen slithering over the threshold into the ship as the door closes, and she ship departs...
Several months later: USCM Sulaco - crew in stasis: 4, Destination: Returning to Gateway station from LV-426... A screen flicks into action: Promiximity alert, incoming distress beacon from colonial orbital fueling station, re-route course to intercept and assist, ending stasis programme.
*insert entire new alien movie here with Hicks, Newt, Ripley with survivors of the (docked) supply ship and orbital station... Shit goes down, ends with our three hero's (and a couple of new peeps) crashing landing a shuttle into the Sulacos loading bay (thus damaging the cryo stasis chamber on that deck) - in true xeno form, they have managed to follow and get on board the Sulaco.. *insert conflict here* everything's fine now.. Surviving crew move to lower deck cryochamber, and resume course to gateway... Pan to pulsating egg on ceiling. It opens. Credit roll.
All problems solved.
Because Godzooky's a horrifying demon beast.
While I agree about your point, I would obviously have a GVK-like situation for the monsters. The issue in GVK is that there were two tightly squeezed human plots and I think if they allowed just one character with potential to shine I would pick Madison as the sole human plot. While there would be more screentime devoted to monsters, we could actually get something worthwhile from a character that has been wasted in all the movies she's been in.
Why is that image so creepy--
G.H. (Gman),
Thank you for your input. Without going into too many specifics, my partner and I are going to keep it a nice relaxing conversation about various monsters over a cup (or two) of coffee. No shouting or trying to make a comedy routine, just pleasant and insightful conversations about one of our favorite genres. The basis of the show isn't going to be on recording every reaction from a new fan, but it's more or less having the insight of someone new and younger with someone a little older and dare I say, wiser.
I had a good friend and podcaster say to me last night that the numbers aren't what's important as the focus needs to be on the content and it's creation. If we're good at it and we keep up with it, a following will happen in it's own time.
By the way, the ratings of the films aren't necessarily to say what is good or bad, but to spark a conversation about our differing or similar ratings. My partner and I will inevitably disagree on a film and that is a conversation I look forward to more than if we are on the same page about all of them. In some ways, if you tell me Godzilla is in it, it's automatically going to be awesome regardless. This is just to get into the real nitty gritty of what we as two differing fans look for when we watch the films. Totally get what you were saying, but I wanted to clarify.
Thank you for your input!
what
*goes to watch goji power hour*
@sonictiger: While I think it would be cool to see the Brodys return in a future film, I doubt they or any of the other human characters would play a huge role in a film like this. Since I’m suggesting that this be the finale of the MonsterVerse, I believe the filmmakers would want to have the monsters take the spotlight much like in GVK. I wouldn’t be terribly disappointed if that happened since I feel that if there was ever going to be another film where the human story would be sacrificed to give the monsters more time to shine, a Destroy All Monsters-esc film would be the right one. I initially believed that GVK was the last MonsterVerse film for this very reason (and it can really be the case for all we know. No future films are confirmed as of now).
Plus, I doubt that most moviegoers would be interested in seeing the Brody family return since weren’t the most beloved characters from G14. But who knows. If Sam Brody is brought back and is a well written character, maybe general audiences will connect with him.
Godzilla official yt puts out episodes
SasquaDash
Ah its been forever since I last watched Godzilla Power Hour
The funny thing is that in the actual scene the other crew members are in danger (which is why Pete and Captain Majors look so worried), meanwhile Godzooky's smiling like nothing's wrong. Apparently he finds joy in his friends facing imminent doom...
he has the look of "hey, whatcha ya doing? Don't mind if I do?"
Wait wasn't that Jurassic Park Institute? My internet back in the day was extremely crappy so I could never play those games
BigDave
In addition to your post, I always thought of the xenomorphs are capable of ascending to higher caste depending on the situation (an idea I borrow from AVP2 video game) so for an example of a human spawned xenomorph's complete lifecycle using the EU's lore.
Ovomorph -> Facehugger + Human Host -> Chestburster -> Drone -> Warrior -> Alpha/Lead/Senior Warrior -> Preatorian -> Queen -> Empress -> Queen Mother
As for who becomes Queen first, I always feel the Xenomorph doing the eggmorphing first is kind of in a leading position due to seniority, so naturally I think it should be the one to elevated itself into a higher caste.
