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I'll be posting my full review by the end of the week (still playing through challenge mode and trying to unlock everything), but if I was to sum up my initial thoughts on the game so far, it would be: "GAME GOOD, I LIKE."
it will be about godzilla vs. kathufaloo.
The Neomorph from Alien Covenant had its Origins from some of the UNUSED Concepts for the Earlier Prometheus Drafts (Alien: Engineers) there have been Various Concepts over the Years and some of these UNUSED ONES could be USED to Inspire and Create something NEW.....
As LONG as you can Trace some of the Xenomorph to it, even if its via Procreation then i think you could EXPLORE such as a ALIEN Movie.
You could even have something that PREDATES the Experiments on LV-223, something were it all came from.... THIS could be a ALIEN SPECIES, a USE of the Starbeast Concept by having a more Intelligent Ancestor that does-not have to be a Xenomorph Carbon Copy.... but something you can make a Connection with.
"so the franchise could still exist beyond the xenomorphs"
I think so YEAH..... a Point is that the Xenomorph is Iconic, but while you have Freedom in the Comics to make Various Adaptions and Alternatives, i think with the Theatrical or even TV Series its more Costly and you have to be Careful. So i was looking that ONCE we have seen the Xenomorph on Screen again say for another 2 Movies or say for like 25-30% of a TV Series.
Its then can you do more with them.... or can you LOOK at something Beyond them, but then thats the Catch 22 when you EXPLORE something Different would it get the Recognition without the Brand Name... and IF you use the ALIEN Prequel its about IF People would be ok with something thats Different?
But i think then you STILL have to have some Connective Tissue.... there has to be a Connection to ALIEN even if its LOOSE.. and that Connection has to come down to being Connected to LV-223 because this seems to be the PLACE where it all Began... Unless you Explore that it Began somewhere Else and LV-223 was where things had become Experimented/Evolved with.
As Thoughts_Dreams brings up... there is more in the Franchise....
But if you have a Movie (Especially) or a TV Series that was about the Weyland-Yutani Company, Synthetics.... that had NOTHING ALIEN about it.... by that i dont mean Xenomorphs... but say nothing that you could Trace any Connection to the Space Jockey or Xenomorph in.... then Fans may NOT feel this is a ALIEN MOVIE etc.
ALIEN is Expanded beyond the Xenomorph with Prometheus but so many have NOT seen HOW this Movie should and can Connect to ALIEN because it does-not have Xenomorphs....... The Queen is more Recognized as being ALIEN and Ripley and Colonial Marines than say the Engineers/Space Jockey.... which is Unfortunate.
The ALIEN Expanded Universe has Massive Potential.... beyond Ripley and Xenomorphs, the Problem is doing a Space Exploration or other Sci-Fi that Features the Weyland-Yutani Company or Synthetics etc... would LIKELY not be Accepted by some as being ALIEN or by having the ALIEN Prefix....
So the Problem you have is making such a STORY and NOT having the Prefix, can lead to People NOT being aware its in the same Universe or as much Marketing and Brand Recognition... but then WHEN you Market it too much as in the Universe of the ALIEN Franchise.... sometimes your Expected to have the ALIEN.
The same thing is Exploring the Engineers as FAR as other Worlds and Races FAR FAR AWAY and Deal with Conflict between them that DOES-NOT have any Xenomorphs or Similar.... again... for some THIS would NOT be Considered ALIEN, and while you can AIM for SPIN-OFF as Such its again the Recognition...
To get more Interest you have to Market it as being in the same Universe and when you do then you will be Expected to have the ALIEN.
For me i think that YES in either Case... a Engineers Spin Off or a Weyland-Yutani then for it to WORK you have to have a ALIEN at some Point.
But my Point would be that THIS so called ALIEN does-not have to be a Xenomorph but you have to have it connected.... as in its something that Pre-Existed the Xenomorph, or something that Evolved from the Xenomorph or another ALIEN that had came from the same Origins.
Something ALIEN or has Alien Origins that is Different... but NOT TOO DIFFERENT.
I am on the FENCE with this.....
It depends on Execution and so i DOUBT it would be as BAD as The Predator (WHICH WAS AWFUL). That Movies Plot was GOOD... it worked... the Writing of the Script the Execution of it and the Stupidness in some of the TECH and the Goofyness of some of the Movie made it AWFUL..... shame as the Barebones of the Plot Worked.
With PREY its too Early to tell...... The Plot could be Interesting, the Effects.... but it Depends on the Execution and i think we have some HOPE that this Movie should be more SERIOUS.
But i kinda have a Hunch where this is going... and well it may RUB some People up the Wrong Way.... but it could give a NEW Dimension to the Predators Technology ;)
"You're right that the androids shouldn't be the focus because to me it isn't interesting as much as the human story is."
Can you imagine this Comment in 100-125 Years! When Robots will be wanting Human Rights... Joke ;)
I think that the A.I has its Place but should NOT be the Main Focus, i think having other stuff included that People may say is Giving into to Wokeness is also Fine as LONG as its does-not Distract from the Main Story.
For me then ALIEN has to Symbolize the ALIEN UNIVERSE that is out there, where Mankind has Ventured Forwards looking at the Rewards of the Galaxy the Fruit to Steal and Harvest..... while being Naive to the DANGER and HORROR that awaits those who Unsuspecting it and are NOT Prepared for it.
We also see its about Certain Humans who will go to ANY LENGTH and Extremes for Personal Gain, while they Manipulate and Use the more Common People.
This is something that i think the TV Series will be Covering to a Good Extent (that prior Paragraph). The Xenomorph will become PART of the Story as well MOST will see that anything ALIEN has to have a Xenomorph.... for me i would say as long as it has anything Connected to the Engineers in Context to any sinister Agenda and Horrors they Create then that to me Constitutes as ALIEN because the Xenomorph is merely a Extension/Evolution of what the Engineers had been doing.
We still KNOW so Little about the TV Series so all we can do is Speculate and maybe something the Comments by those who are GIVING US this TV Series could be taken out of Context or are Comments that are Throwing us OFF the Scent... for Example say if the NOT TOO DISTANT FUTURE.. Ends up being say the Year 2150... on the Scale of Humanity that is the Very Close Future.....
If its more 2050 and will be SET ON EARTH... then i have Concerns.... unless its a Alternative Take/Reboot.
mailia
I think its too early to tell
That being said, I sure hope its better than Shane Black's atrocious attempts at making a Predator movie.
mailia,
Nothing in Dan Trachtenberg's resume suggests it could possibly be anything as awful as The Predator without overwhelming studio meddling.
Oh wait nevermind, Invasion (1997) doesn't fit your description since the aliens release a viral infection to evolve the humans into hivemind aliens and not good old fashion mind control
I remember a movie that came out in the early 2000's where these people would get infected by tiny little aliens from these black rocks, Luke Perry was the main antagonist.
G. H. (Gman)
Yes we finally agree on something
I miss the answer: "It will be bad equally". :D Well, maybe it will be a bit better, because the main predator will be a classic predator played by an actor in the suit. But the story will be stupid equally. I can't help myself I feel a big feminist cliché from that. (Lately, it has not been very successful to write a good and believable main female character.)
Well, could it be "Videodrome" (1983), a film of David Cronenberg? Here's the trailer.
This is non related, but i loved this show, "surface" 2005. It ONLY lasted One season.
Thanks for your reply! As previously mentioned, it does bear similarities to earth: final conflict, but I don’t think that’s it. The large mind control screen on the buildings and the alien ship atop one of the buildings doesn’t seem to align with the earth: final conflict plot.
“Will it ALWAYS be Expected that the ALIEN Franchise will have to Involve the Xenomorph?”
It depends on who you ask, if they associate it with the Xeno then yeah. Some people can accept new things which is fine while some people have a difficult time to find that to be OK. To me it's about people that get into situations that they are not prepared to handle.
Giger designed the Xeno but there are other monsters in it also that are not the Xeno which to me implies that there were already other things in the beginning and there was also the SJ that carried the monsters so he was a threat too. Since there were already other monsters in it since the beginning it's totally fine to add threats that are non-xeno things. Maybe some people will expect the Xeno to be in it, but I don't look at it like that.
Sure you can look at other things and expand it, for all that was wrong with Prometheus at least it tried something new. You had the Engineers, the Hammerpede, Deacon, the Squid, and Fifield although the theatrical movie had the crap version. You can cover the Company, the Engineers, introduce military things like they did in AR although it could be better executed.
You could have privately owned justice systems and what happens when corporations take over the law, you can expand on the Engineers, you can expand on WY, you can have competitors to WY and see how they try to get the Xeno as a weapon and try to profit from it, you can look at gender issues which has been there from day one. Androids could be expanded on even though they shouldn’t be what it’s about cyborgs could work (Alien mixed with Robocop). Environmental damage could be introduced, the black goo could be expanded on.
Get the story and characters right otherwise we’ll get something like the prequels, with good ideas but had bad to average execution. It doesn’t need to be about the Xeno but title it Alien: X, Alien: Y so people know that it has got the connection otherwise it will be vague like Prometheus.
“*Would a Movie/TV Series that is SET within the Universe/Franchise that does-not have the ALIEN Prefix, loose out on Interest due to lack of Brand Recognition?”
It shouldn't be a problem if they are clear in the marketing that it's tied to the Alien franchise and not the “is this an alien movie?” garbage. Star Wars never did that and not other well known franchises to my knowledge, but I can be mistaken. To me it could be interesting but I'm not sure how people in general would react and I don't want to speak for other people.
Hopefully there's a way to take the franchise forward, there is potential.
Xenotaris: To say something against woke stuff is usually a comment to not add anything controversial at all. If someone has something to say then let them do it. You can choose to not watch it.
Someone says something about treating women bad some people say “that's woke stuff, you can't have that”, someone says something about environmental damage some people are “that's woke stuff, you can't say that”, and so on. In the end it becomes like you can't say anything about important issues because it hurts someone's feelings and the art becomes meaningless.
I agree with you about having it if it fits the story and not put it there in the first place and then let the story come after that. You're right that the androids shouldn't be the focus because to me it isn't interesting as much as the human story is.
Cautiously, perhaps even delusionally, optimistic.
Yes.
On the count that The Predator is as low of a bar as you could achieve in not just this franchise, but many others.
This sounds awfully like Earth's Final Conflict
Ah, I understand now, so the franchise could still exist beyond the xenomorphs. Well the Godzilla movies do have stand alones like Mothra and Rodan
I wasn’t really saying they’re justified in having higher hopes, more that I’d be interested in seeing more of dune. And more of the novels adapted whether that happens or not
HinikunaGoji,
Legendary/WB certainly have more faith in Dune right now than some other franchises of theirs. I'm not entirely sure it's founded, given the start. At this juncture I would say the future of their Dune franchise depends on the next movie. But that's such a long way off it's hard to call that the only indicator.
HOWEVER......
I do think there is MORE to the Franchise than just Eggs, Face Huggers etc.
You have the Future of Human Space Exploration, Future Technology, A.I, Corporate Greed and Competition... you would have Rivalry and Competition for Resources in Space....... and YES you will also Eventually go and RUN into LIFE... In Context to the Weyland-Yutani Universe then the Xenomorph was SURELY NOT the Only other Life-Form in the Galaxy.
BUILDING BETTER WORLDS... was what the Company was doing more so than... GO GET US A XENOMORPH. But this was the PLOT for the Franchise (Obtain a Xenomorph). You could Expand the Franchise to Explore other STUFF, many Avenues for SCI-FI within the Universe of ALIEN... but you will have FANS who will EXPECT that anything within the Universe if ALIEN has to have XENOMORPHS and some even Ripley..
Its kind of a CURSE and CATCH 22 with the Franchise.... while you can Expand on other Stuff and have it SET in the same Universe you will by some Fans be Expected to Answer... WHERE IS THE XENOMORPH... and if you want more BRAND Recognition then having the ALIEN Prefix you would be Expected to have Xenomorphs.
While the Comics, Games and Novels have Expanded out the Franchise in Various and Alternative ways that REVOLVE around the Xenomorph. When we look at the Franchise as far as THEATRICALLY... we have.
A Distant Moon (LV-426) that has a Crashed Ship (Derelict) with a Cargo of Eggs (Xenomorph) that the Company wish to Obtain... they FAIL... and 57 Years latter they Discover Survivor Ripley, who informs them about what she Discovered... she is Informed that Humans have a Colony on LV-426 and have NEVER encountered anything like this.... the Colony are Informed and SEND out someone to Investigate and well this LEADS to the Outbreak/Fall of Hadleys Hope. This is DESTROYED at the End of ALIENS and so the 3rd Movie goes to Indicate that the ONLY source of Xenomorph is via Fury-161 with Special Attention to RIPLEY and the Queen that Gestates inside her.
After she Sacrifices herself.... its 200 Years before USM have Obtained a Specimen by Cloning Ripley... at the END of this Movie we are left to ASK... are all the Xenomorphs GONE?
This was NOT taking into Account the Prequels... and even so while it was left to ASSUME the Derelict/Eggs are GONE after ALIENS.... we cant RULE-OUT the Company has been to LV-426 prior to ALIENS..... although this would BEG the Question of WHY would you make a Colony on a World when you KNOW what is there.... but this can become a Conspiracy/Cover Up etc.
This is WHERE the Alien:Isolation Series takes us...... but we have NOT explored such in a Movie..... but again.... a Question i have ASKED a Number of Times is....... WAS THE DERELICT..... the ONLY such SHIP with that Cargo? so YES there were Avenues.... also you could have looked at the World the Xenomorph came from..... IF you are going to look at it as its OWN SPECIES.
HOWEVER....
What it was led to be was a Engineered Organism that First either came from the Engineers Experiments on LV-223 or as a Result/Evolution of their Pathogen and the Horrors it could Create.
But again as with Weyland-Yutani... the Xenomorph was ONLY a Small Part/Connection to the Engineers.... they also were more into the BUILDING BETTER WORLDS and Species....
The Engineers Plot had opened up the Franchise to a Massive Scale/Scope....would Exploring the Engineers and what other WORLDS they Build and Organisms they Create really CONSTITUTE the ALIEN: Prefix?
Prometheus had given us the Engineers Horrific Experiments, the Creation Tool/Pathogen that CAN/WAS used to Create Horrors that are Connected and Pre-Date the Xenomorph....
Does the Past Origins that Connect to the Xenomorph as in Monsters like the Deacon, Hammepedes, the Neomorphs and a WHOLE MANNER of other Horrors... would they NOT be worthy of being ALIEN?
What we END up with is the ALIEN is Actually NOT so Alien.... and WHAT is so ALIEN about it is the Pathogen that began the Process. The Tool that can be used to Hybridize Organisms... to Create a Engineered Monster...
There is PLENTY more BEYOND the Xenomorph within the Universe of ALIEN... but if you are going to USE the ALIEN Prefix then it has to be ALIEN and my Point i was making was CAN you have a ALIEN Movie/TV Series that does-not have Xenomorphs?
I think YES you can.... IF its Connected as FAR as what had BECOME the Xenomorph and so IF you Explore the Pathogens Origins, or other Horrors that it has Created, other Worlds infected by the Pathogen... were we see Monsters that are NOT the Xenomorph but you can make some Vague Connection...
For me ALIEN is Connected to the Space Jockey/Engineers..... so anything they Create that is Quite Alien Looking (None Humanoid) would Warrant being ALIEN.
But more so for me... it would be Anything that has a Genetic Origin/Link to the Xenomorph be that it PREDATES it or EVOLVES from it or Experiments on it would Warrant being a ALIEN Movie.
I think that Constitutes being ALIEN....
To me the Deacon, the Hammerpedes and Neomorph are JUST as ALIEN as the Xenomorph... but its a QUESTION of HOW MANY would only want to Explore something that has the Xenomorphs we have became USED to in the Movie Franchise....... HOW MUCH can you really go about with this?
Time will Tell with the TV Series.
And so ONCE you have shown the Xenomorph over and over and over... is there anything BEYOND the Xenomorph? I say YES... is there anything that some Fans would BE interested in.... thats the Difficult Question.
I understand this is HOW some Fans do Feel....
Its like the ALIEN in ALIEN came something that Symbolizes the Xenomorph and for MANY this is what the ALIEN was about. But i feel that also when you looked at the Space Jockey then IT too was ALIEN, and IF the Cargo was merely a Experiment, or a Engineered Weapon that was Created or a Attempt to Create by those Space Jockey, i was always Fascinated as to WHY and to LEARN more about the Space Jockey as another ALIEN LIFE FORM.
So some Fans would Consider that anything about the Space Jockey would also Encompass being ALIEN. And indeed when we look at Weyland-Yutani who are off to Build Better Worlds, and to Mine Worlds for Resources.... when you are Exploring Space you are eventually going to come Across VERY ALIEN like Worlds and Life-Forms.
But when MOST are asked about the ALIEN Movies when they THINK about ALIEN they think about Xenomorphs and Ripley. More people are Familiar in Context to the Franchise with the Queen than the Space Jockey and i think more People look at James Camerons rendition of the Xenomorph which is what the Comics mainly look at... which is that the Xenomorph Eggs are a Result of a Queen, rather than the Space Jockey Race being a Race who Engineered them... (Until Alien Covenant).
But Indeed when you think of ALIEN Franchise then the Xenomorph is Synonymous with the Franchise. You say its like a Godzilla Movie without Godzilla and to a Degree.... YES.... but you can have a Movie within the Godzilla Universe that does-not have Godzilla... but to get it Recognized you are going to have to USE the Prefix of GODZILLA so that People know its set in the same Universe but with this.... the Fans would be like.... SO WHERE IS.... Godzilla.
And the same thing applies to ALIEN... which is WHY with Prometheus it Dropped the ALIEN Prefix as it was NOT about the Xenomorph, it was in the Same Universe it would LOOSELY Connect... but it would more so Cover the Space Jockey and the Biological Experiments and Warfare they USE which the Xenomorph is Connected.
The General Public would be more Familiar with ALIEN and many would NOT even know or Recognize that Prometheus was SET in the ALIEN UNIVERSE and Canon, for it had Synthetics, Weyland Company, the Derelict/Space Jockey Ship/Pilots. But you have People who here its Connected and go to see IT and then they are like I CANT SEE HOW its Connected.... because there are NO EGGS etc.
If the Movie was Called as its Earlier Version was ALIEN:ENGINEERS... then it would be more Recognized by Brand... but then it would be Expected to have the Xenomorph (which Alien: Engineers did) my Point being that when you Explore something within a UNIVERSE.... be that Godzilla or Alien... you have that Choice of Leaving the Brand Prefix Off and then it NOT being as Recognized or Plugged... but NO SOON as you add the Prefix to say LOOK THIS IS SET IN THE SAME UNIVERSE.... then you will be Expected to have the Xenomorph/Godzilla etc.
It will be Interesting to see how PREY will do... as it does-not have the Predator Prefix but it will be a Prequel to the Franchise.... but the Posters and Trailers will LIKELY showcase the Predator so People will see a Connection.
A ALIEN Prequel could have been Called say PARASITE.... and in the Trailers you show a Face Hugger etc and Fans would recognize the Xenomorph, you would NOT have to have the Prefix ALIEN to have the Xenomorph... However when you have the ALIEN Prefix then for many it would be Expected to have the Xenomorph.
I think a Great Example is AVP.... ALIEN VS PREDATOR... as Opposed to it being Called XENOMORPH VS YAUTJA
"*Will it ALWAYS be Expected that the ALIEN Franchise will have to Involve the Xenomorph?"
Well I suppose it would be like having a Godzilla movie without Godzilla and being replaced with a different monster.
ALIEN started with the xenomorph and has been in everything entitled ALIEN. Replacing them in their own series with a different alien creature would be like Replacing King Kong with a giant Lemur or replacing Godzilla with a belly dragging komodo dragon-like kaiju.
It appears WB and Legendary are very confident in Dune, as they have also greenlit a HBO max series about the Bene Gesserit.
I would love to see Children of Dune in this new interpretation of the Duniverse. I would live to see God Emporer of Dune given screen treatment as well as I feel it wraps up Leto II. But either way I’m excited to see part 2.
Dune Messiah would be a good choice to adapt, but Part 2 would need to succeed.
As a fan of the original book and the original book alone, I'm not sure what to think. Legendary greenlighting Dune: Part 2 seemed to have been out of outcry and respect more than box office, as it sunk like a rock in its second weekend. Is it good for a covid curve or would it have done about the same business?
Unless Part 2 does gangbuster business in 2023, I think a third movie is a stretch. If it happens, I will say Children of Dune deserves another screen adaptation. I liked the decidedly not terrible Sci-Fi Channel adaptation with James McAvoy, so a big screen iteration would be an interesting curiosity--If possible.
this post this really very good
I love they live too lol! Also, dark skies is a good guess. Can’t tell you much beyond the details I have already described, but I vaguely remember the humanoid leaders being dressed in some kind of silver-ish outfit. Also, it seem to be set in the present day or near future. Another detail is that I do remember the humans were being relocated at one point via open air transports, seating around a dozen people. I think they were being reassigned to different areas based on their skills, etc.
i'll be sure to get this when i get a record player on christmas B]
Give a look to this tv series, "Dark Skies", 1996-1997.
Here´s the trailer
And the wikipedia link
Its the scene where Kelly sneaks on to the Mobile Command Center Trailer, it zooms to the Five Death Island chains, I believe it lists the names of the island.
Maybe on Mothra and Rodan.
OG Creation sure.
Godzilla? Obvs.
And I think Madison Russell should be the main human protagonist this time. But WB should let Millie Bobby Brown have a say in her character's direction imo.
