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The new design definitely looks more cybernetic and alien than the Showa version.

I think i actually prefer the short beak look.

The mighty cybernetic buzz saw chicken returns! Hopefully this means that we'll have a short film with Megalon next year.

Slight delay. Part 3 and 4 will release this friday.

"You have to take the novelisations with a pinch of salt. I'm pretty sure I read in one of the ADF novels that xenomorphs are telepathic!"

I haven't read that yet, might be in Alien 3 Novelization but might skip Alien 3 and jump to Earth Hive and mentaly changed Billie and Wilks back into Newt and Hicks or figure out how to edit my copy on kindle

sonictiger

Godzilla is international, even going home doesnt mean you wont see more content.

I'm starting to get the feeling that Godzilla's movie future is in Japan, and MonsterVerse Goji will only feature in TV shows and maybe one movie.

HYYYYYYPE

 Gojira Forces (Lim Chen Xi)

Blue is capable of Parthenogenesis, which is a form of asexual reproduction. So she wouldn't need a mate in order to produce offspring. 

AvP was _never_ "canon" in the official alien universe. It is a separate continuity. It cannot therefore be "erased" from alien canon.

You have to take the novelisations with a pinch of salt. I'm pretty sure I read in one of the ADF novels that xenomorphs are telepathic!

I don't really mind David being the creator, although I more for the engineers being the sole creator

I'm currently working on a campaign that draws heavily on the dark horse comics and video games, which shares the same universe as my fanfiction the AVPU

I haven't got to the Alien Covenant novelization yet so I didn't know the details. I am still on the ALIENS novelization

I have talked to TWO people i know about the TV Show and they seem Bummed Out about HOW we wont have any Connection to RIPLEY in it.....  One of them also thinking it should be a Opportunity to introduce the PREDATORS as the Creators of the Xenomorph.

This would just be another AVPR with some Fluff/Scenes like in AVP...... with also something like the "The Predator" Alternative Endings..... No Thank You!

Regarding the TV Show...

I think this will just go and DESTROY the Plot of David in the Prequels i think it would CAUSE so Many Conflicts.... i think that UNLESS the TV Show is a Alternative Take then it could have a Profound Effect on the Franchise.  And i WORRY this will be in a NEGATIVE way.

Regarding the ARC.... I think it makes Sense when looking at the Themes of the Prequels.....  HOWEVER.... they could have had David go and Create something ELSE that looks Different but YET similar and Proclaim he has PERFECTED the Engineers Creation etc.

For Example any of the ABOVE would have been more a Connection to the Xenomorph and via seeing HOW he Created them, then it could give us some IDEA of HOW the Xenomorph came about but also leave it UNEXPLORED so it has that Mystery about it still.

Such a Alternative Creation would TELL the David Story Arc, but it would NOT go and Effect the Xenomorph and any Conflicts about HOW OLD it seemed the Derelict was etc.

It seems that up UNTIL the Spring-Summer of 2015 that THIS is Exactly what they was going for... but then they Decided we NEED to SHOW the Original Xenomorph and its Origins and so they DID THIS... but added that David is the Creator!

THIS.... could have been FIXED via a Movie or a Novel or a Comic that would NOT even have to have David in it at all......

You have the Engineers Return and Discover Davids Workshop, and Xenomorph and they SEE the Potential and then you SHOW/INDICATE that they then take it to LV-223 to EVOLVE it to WHAT we have in ALIEN.

Then ANY kind of Movie/Novel or Comic that would FOLLOW where David is going would then NOT have to be about the Xenomorph or SHOE-HORN the Plot into ALIEN.

What we have then is this...

*Without the Engineers Pathogen and Knowledge David gained from what they was doing on LV-223, then David would NOT have the Material to Create his PROTOMORPH

*The Engineers then UPGRADE/EVOLVE his Protomorph to become the XENOMORPH.

So David in Effect becomes the MIDDLE-MAN this is a Compromise.  We STILL would have the TIME-FRAME Problem..... which is that there are NO EGGS on the Derelict by the Year 2105..... but there is a Solution to that ;) which also TAKES OUT the Engineers LV-223 Moon at the same Time.

"What are your thoughts on the ALIEN RPG?"

It seems Interesting, however i have NOT read it, and i have not really looked in Depth into it.  Maybe ONE DAY i may Purchase it for Source Material to Read what FLUFF etc they have.  But i doubt i will ever PLAY the game.

It seems that in 2018 then Andrew Gaska and Paul Elliot went about to Produce the Concept behind the RPG Game, by coming up with some Background to the ALIEN Franchise, to FLESH OUT a lot of things..... it seems the Source Material for their Ideas that they Created has been USED for Comics/Novels from 2019 to a Degree.

And so their WORK may be used as a Reference Point from NOW ON.. but this does-not mean that any TV Show or Movies will FOLLOW what they have Explored/Explained to the BOOK/LETTER.

And so Producers/Directors of such Project have FREEDOM to go and Change anything they want..... although the Executives at Disney or WHO they assign to WATCH OVER any Projects will have the Greatest Input/Say.  So IF they agree with what Gaska and Elliot have ADDED then thats what will go into a Project but if the Director/Producer has a IDEA that something is Explored in a Different at to Gaska and Elliots Ideas and the Executive for Disney prefers what the Producer/Director wants to do then thats WHAT we would get.

David Giler and Walter Hill used to have a LARGE Roll/Say in the ALIEN Franchise, but they seemed to ALSO have their OWN Idea on HOW to Expand and Go Forwards with the Franchise that looks to be DIFFERENT to what Ridley Scott had seen as the WAY to go.

Regarding ADF.....

Yes he had worked the Novel off a Script, but it seems the Additions about HOW it was that David Explained he had NOTHING to do with the EGG and he FOUND it as it was, and it was HIGHLY AGGRESSIVE so he had to DESTROY IT.  These seem to be additional STUFF that he added.

The last 2 Drafts (inc Shooting) have NOT been released but i would BET that the additions that ADF made are NOT in those Scripts too.  Prior to the Release and After we have Ridley Scott indicating then CONFIRM that the Xenomorphs Creation was STARTED by David.

I think the KEY thing to look at is to look at the Drafts, you will see Alien Covenant has made some Changes but for the MOST PART the Movie is the Drafts..... and when we look at the Drafts it is NOT indicated at all that the Engineers have KEPT/STORED anything related to LV-223/Xeno-Virus and Horrors on Planet 4.  The same goes with the Movie (there is Davids Lab but thats his OWN WORK).

So we have to Consider the Following........

IF the Egg was already in that Room and Highly Aggressive then....

*Would the Engineers be so STUPID to KEEP such a Danger within that VERY IMPORTANT building to their Species?

*IF David was the MAIN survivor on Planet 4 (Pathogen has no Effect on him) then WHY would the Face Hugger be Considered a Danger to him?  If its Aggressive then HOW would that Effect David?

*WHY would David go on to Create yet EVEN MORE of these Eggs?  His Xenomorph seems more Aggressive/Feral than the ones in ALIEN/ALIENS. So WHY would he go Destroy it to Create more Aggressive Ones?

*IF there already was a EGG then WHY would he waste his TIME with those Experiments?  And his NOTES etc, does he TRY and Create something NOT as Perfect and then SOME-HOW with the Dead Face Hugger and Dr Shaw he managed to THEN go and Create those Eggs.

It seems that IF we had it that David had Found the EGG then surely he would concentrate on Clone that with the Black Goo to Create the Eggs.... it seems Waste Time doing other stuff.....   What the Drafts, his Lab Notes/Drawings go on to Show is that he Painstakingly went through a Labor or Love to Finally Create the Xenomorph.

I have NOT read the RPG Material but it seems the IDEA is that the Black Goo contains Xeno-Dna and via Certain Events eventually the Xenomorph would EVOLVE from the Black Goo and Creations from it... at some point the Xenomorph will ALWAYS be the End Product/Evolution.

A BETTER Explanation could be USED.... which i will ADD in my Topic about the CREATOR.

BigDave

What are your thoughts on the ALIEN RPG?

Thoughts_Dreams

What's wrong with android protagonists or any non-human protagonist?

I think an android protagonist would be awesome if it was a coming of age story, just without the android going insane and making biomechanical horrors. So basically a good David, doesn't have to be a David model specifically. But I am one of the type of people who would have preferred a Yautja protagonist over a human one for an Alien vs Predator movie.

Oh and here I thought Alan Dean Foster based his book on a pre-shooting script version of Alien Covenant

David as the creator really annoys me. I sort of understand the idea about mankind doing something that could bring it down, but it makes the monster indirectly a result of human activity, it takes away the alien-ness of it. The more that this series can point the finger at that, the better, sort of F you. As far as discredit it, the more they do that, the better. David as the creator of the monster should be undone, and if that is being done in a blunt way, then alright.

If we get another alien-movie it could be a problem with the Alien-connection if it has David in a too much of a role, especially for those that don't like it being taken over by androids. I'm one of those people that don't like the big role being given to androids at the expense of the human journey.

“What would you LIKE to see as the Eventual Creation/Origin of the Xenomorph?"

Being done by the Engineers, or something that the Engineers found and developed. Something that we (mankind) has a difficult way of understanding, or maybe don't really understand at all. This could bring back the unknown factor into it, which is really needed with the fiasco of the David-obsessive part of the prequels this far.

“Finally do you Expect the TV Series and revealing the Xenomorph some 22+ Years prior to ALIEN to Damage the Origins or Uplift them?"

It depends on how it's done, I would like to be shown that its roots go back waay back before David, so it can get ancient and a mystery again. Whatever they do, I guess that it’ll be better than in the prequels anyways.

With the Latest News i have LOWERED my Expectations... but it will Please some Fans who were AGAINST the Prequels.

It seems that Writers NEVER have a Clue on HOW to Continue with anything that DOES-NOT go and Contradict what was Prior.... NOT a lot of Thought!

I just think the SHOW will make a MESS of whatever we have seen so FAR......

Unless its a Alternative Universe Take.....

SURPRISE!

What can we make of this a Surprise would mean that we would either see something we NEVER EXPECT, something from the Prior Movies (not inc the Xenomorph) or a Surprising Thing about the Xenomorph thats either New or something Planned but Unused.

As they claim Surprises this means more than ONE....

They Confirm that NONE of the Characters in ALIEN will appear and it WONT be a Ripley Story so NO like Relatives to her....

This does-not mean we wont see Characters (or other things) from the Prequels... i am NOT sure they would Budget for having Fassbender make a Appearance though....  But as for Guy Pearce?  Who knows...  this does-not mean the Actual Weyland on the Prometheus, we could have Flash Backs or just his Image used?

But this is Wild Speculation at Best.............

However.... the TV Show which will be set between 2092-2099 Ball Park would mean its LIKELY to take place after the Prometheus has Departed and maybe even AFTER the Prometheus Mission went to POT!

What state is Weyland Industries in after Prometheus?  so maybe dealing with this and introducing Yutani as well as other Corporations could be what to Expect.

Surprise could also be we see a Engineer Ship.... does some Company go to LV-223 between say 2094-2099 and bring something BACK to Earth?

What we have seen so FAR is a Structure that resembles the Engineers Architecture/Designs from the Juggernauts which appears to be Partially Flooded....  do they Discover a Ship thats been UNDERWATER for a LONG TIME?

I think the TV Show could Connect/Show some things Connected to the Prequels... well Prometheus rather than from ALIEN/ALIENS so No Colonial Marines etc.

We can only Speculate.... i am Concerned this would CONFLICT the Franchise though... unless its a ALTERNATIVE TAKE.

This is KIND OF some Interesting News but its also a BIT of a Confusion.  When it was announced the TV Show would be SET in the NOT too Distant Future and would be Centered around and MAINLY on Earth..... this seemed to me to mean we would be at least 50 Years before ALIEN but at least 25 Years from Now.... so i thought we would be looking at a 2047-2072 Ball Park.

We got the Impression the Action would be on Earth and eventually it would see the Xenomorph and it would also be a Action Heavy TV Show once we get DEEP into the Xenomorph Outbreak.  This would CONTRADICT the Original Movies and Prequels if its SET on Earth and Prior to those Movies.

Hence i was DRAWN to this being a Ret-Con....of sorts.

It seemed it would NOT Focus on W-Y but other Corporations and this was ANOTHER reason i thought we have a Reboot of Sorts on our Hands.

HOWEVER..... with this News about the Show being SET in 70 Years and so 2092 this PLACES it within the same Year that the PROMETHEUS Mission would have Occurred.. and so the Prometheus Mission would either had been Preparing (Employing Crew etc) or Began its Voyage during the Events of the SHOW!

I am sure we can see where some Conflicts are going to Happen (Example while the Prometheus is on its way to LV-223, then we somehow have Xenomorphs on Earth!).

If the TV Show is NOT a Reboot and so FITS as Canon to the Movies... so while there is a Xenomorph Outbreak on Earth the USCSS Prometheus is on its way to LV-223 then i cant see HOW this cant go and CONFLICT the Prequels..

Especially if the Xenomorph is Discovered away from EARTH.

Regarding DAVID......

The Original Idea behind the Xenomorph with RS when working on the Prequels was they was a ENGINEERED Weapon by the Engineers.... Prometheus decided to TONE this DOWN.. but show the Black Goo and other Clues to Draw us to Conclude that WHAT was going on with LV-223 has some Connection to LV-426 (RS even explained it in a Interview, something on LV-223 had EVOLVED in the Cargo Hold of the Derelict, the Pilot Infected then headed to LV-426 to Quarantine the Ship.

The Next Two Movies would STEER AWAY from LV-426 and would NOT go and give us the Xenomorph of Explanation... it would instead at some POINT show that David would become Fascinated with the Black Goo Bio-Weapon and its Potential to Create Horrific Life... that HE would Create his OWN MONSTER after he unleashes the Black Goo on the Engineers and sees the Results (another Type of Monster), he decides to CREATE/ENGINEER his OWN....

You would NOT need to know WHAT came First and How as FAR as the Chicken and the Egg.... if you say SHOWED what came First with the Snake and the Egg... if you Get what i mean?

But come Spring 2015 they had Decided to Change Plans... in what then during the Summer would become Alien Covenant, where we would GET the Xenomorph (seemed RS felt it was NOT needed, but ALAS) and so at some POINT it was Decided that NOT ONLY do we go and SHOW the Origins to the Xenomorph... the Curve-ball would be that David had Created it.

Confusion happened after the NOVEL had indicated otherwise, but this appears to be Alan Dean Foster putting his OWN SPIN on it in Disagreement/Disappointment that David would be the Creator.... but the 4 Drafts of Alien Covenant had NONE of the Additions he made.

The Fanbase was UP IN ARMS over the David Creator Arc..... when we get to some of the Later Comics (2018+) and the RPG Game its implied again the Xenomorph had Existed prior to David, but they did so in a WAY that made a BIT more sense than what ADF was implying in the Novel which makes NO SENSE!

Unless you take Commentary and Comments by RS as Not Canon and IF you pay NO attention to Davids Notes/Drawings (which are not Clearly Detailed in the Movie) then can not 100% Clarify that David created the Xenomorph and with NO MORE Prequels its LEFT as OPEN.

Regarding Davids Xenomorph in the TV Series, what i mean is it seems that Aesthetically it is more in Common with Davids Design than we see in ALIEN/ALIENS (more Organic and Gestates with all 4 Limbs) and so much like the Runner from Alien 3 too (Organic and born Fully Formed).

you forgot about this one

 However from what Big Dave revealed they are using David's xenomorph instead of the original Engineer xenomorph

well in some sources, David merely recreates the xenomorph that the engineers had already made. But this doesn't make any sense with covenant because everyone will be dead before the colonization project even began, FTL is slower in PROMETHEUS then it is in ALIENS

Hmmm. About the time that the Prometheus sets off on its journey, then. How does that work, when David allegedly creates the Alien, some years after that?

I love the Pyroraptor, Therizinosaurus, and Quetzalcoatlus designs.

My expectations are low but I hope it turns out good. Yeah, Alien 3 and Covenant wasn't the best (even though I personally find Covenant pretty good), I'm mostly excited on seeing a xenomorph

Love and Monster is pretty good. 10/10 would recommend.

Love and Monster is pretty good. 10/10 would recommend.

It had been Teased thats for sure, even a Tease that Prometheus will have TWO Synthetics... but they may have been Alluding to the LV-223 Engineers.

However we have to maybe look at the GOAL of Peter Weyland, he wants to be Immortal or have Prolonged Life.  And so IF he had Successfully been able to Create a Synthetic in the Image of his Daughter and been ABLE to Upload her Consciousness/Soul into the Synthetic Body.  Then we would have to ask WHY would he NOT go and do the same with himself?

If Vickers was a TEST and he had to WAIT for Results... then surely he would COMMAND someone like David to Oversee this and WHEN its Confirmed this Experiment Works and shows NO SIGNS of Failure, then David could keep Weyland on ICE until the Results are in and then Weyland has the same Process done to himself.

THIS ^^^^ is what i was touching on with my Prometheus 2 idea, however Weyland could NOT Perfect the Soul Transfer.... this STORY did have a Robot Vickers though... but the Original Vickers was on the Prometheus and Died on LV-223.

Also IF she was a Robot, she would be ONE where it seems SHE is NOT aware of such, which would be ODD... unless she was a Replicant/Clone instead.

It seems that our Meredith was NOT a Synthetic.

Yeah kind of i think it  depends on HOW you look at the Origins/Connection which has been Quite Vague.  But to even IGNORE what other stuff the Engineers had Created with the Black Goo or its Origins etc.

Then the Xenomorph itself could be Evolved either Genetically by Experiments or via some kind of Natural Evolution of its Species itself.

We have seen Numerous Variants of Monster Concepts for the Movies some look FAR LESS like the Xenomorphs from ALIEN/ALIENS than others.

It seems maybe the Xenomorph in the TV Series may NOT be the Black/Grey color that we see from Alien and Aliens but more like the Runner from Alien 3

Maybe it will look a LITTLE DIFFERENT but i dont think it would be TOO FAR away from the Xenomorph like say the Newborn, Neomorph and Deacon are.

The differences could be SUBTLE like below.

They will LIKELY come from Eggs (or we will eventually see Eggs) but we may be given a DIFFERENT way of Procreation rather than be shown a Queen. The Face Hugger seems to be Nearly the Same as what we are USED too, but the Gestating Xenomorph is more like the Runner from Alien  3 and Protomorph from Alien Covenant.

HOWEVER...... Design could Change by the Time that Production is Finished (under way at the Moment).

I think Alien Resurrection had some Interesting things going on that are NOT quite so Obvious that could be Expanded upon... but OVERALL i would say Yeah the Execution and Characters are NOT that Good.

The Newborn could have been Better and it did make the QUEEN look Weak!

I highly doubt that Meredith was a synthetic since the tie websites and the movie prometheus made a big deal of David being the first advanced synthetic

"Thoughts_Dreams - As far as I know the only female android this far is Call"

I subscribe to the theory that Meredith Vickers was an android too, even if she did have sex with Idris Janek. Surely Weyland produced pleasure models like Tyrell Corporation made Pris in the Blade Runner Universe, so I think it would be hard to tell if she was human or not.

In addition, I saw a recent Alien Theory Video (https://youtu.be/EXbWmsd4CWo) in which it is explained that there was a MU/TH/UR 6000 A.I. on the Alien Covenant website which answered questions, and when someone asked "When did Meredith Vickers die?" it gave the answer "June 29th 2049" when you would expect the answer to be December of 2093 (when Prometheus takes place) or more precisely New Years Day of 2094.

Perhaps Vickers was an experiment which Weyland wanted to keep around to remind him of his deceased Daughter? a parallel to David, in which even she was not aware she was an artificial person? Certainly an interesting theory.