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and if it were burning godzilla couldnt he just nuclear pulse in all directions?
there's nothing the spidermen can really do to beat Godzilla, like I said he came back to life without having anything to regenerate from
Depends, what if all the spider men starting fighting
1 for this battle Godzilla does have god power 2 death battle did a battle on this and THEY said Godzilla can feed off kryptonite 3 spiderman would not last a second against godzilla
I also have to add this. A new Alien film retconning previous ones isn't necessarily a bad thing as long as the results are worth it. The previous Alien films came first and will always matter to me more but I can accept a new timeline as long as it's worth my time. My DVDs aren't going anywhere. You can't actually takes those films away from me. Same goes with other franchises I'm a fan off like Halloween which has multiple timelines. And while I enjoy some of Disney Star Wars such as The Mandalorian I still prefer to visit the now Legends material.
They was then STUCK as FAR as HOW can you continue after ALIEN 3, you need the Xenomorph, but what is a ALIEN MOVIE without Ripley and HENCE we got the PLOT for Alien Resurrection.... simply Because they Struggle to think of NEW THINGS and Worry that you have to have RIPLEY to SELL!
As always BigDave I agree. Nostalgia always sells better... supposedly. The Declining box office of Terminator and even Star Wars show putting those actors as those characters on the big screen again doesn't guarantee success. You need a good movie to support them which is rarely the case. For every Blade Runner 2049 there is a Terminator Dark Fate (I personally thought is was alright but most did not)
I am honestly surprised that this new film is stand alone and not an excuse to bring Ripley, Hicks, and Newt back, but that doesn't mean they won't do it. They more than likely will especially if what I'm assuming is right and 3 and Resurrection have been deleted. Especially if this new film is a success as well as most Alien fans are simply just fans of the first two films. There is still a huge demand for Blomkamp's film to be made. Now I don't think they'll do his but it wouldn't surprise me on bit if they do something akin to it especially if they say attach James Cameron as a writer/producer. It's sadly more guaranteed to make money than a more ambitious project that doesn't follow established Alien norms...
Thoughts_Dreams I 100% agree with you on the decisions made by Alien 3. It never bothered me. These things killed everyone and everything Ripley knew. If James Cameron kept obviously this wouldn't have happened. Maybe he would have killed some one off but In a more emotional send off (Like Uncle Bob in T2) but this Alien. To hell with the sappy sentiment. It's a dark and uninviting universe and people want a happily ever after ending?
As for companies I think that's a place they are heading. Alien Isolation introduced Seegson and Fireteams Elite mentioned a couple other companies I believe and the tv series is introducing yet another company as well judging from what little has been said about it.
Ultimately I'd like the series to get away from the corporate trappings. Been there, done that. They're always the same. I'd prefer to pursue the engineers further.
Xenotaris I see a huge demand for the Earth War trilogy to be adapted but I don't know why. Nothing against the stories mind you but what is the point in adapting 30+ year old plots that we know oh so well? Not to mention Disney would likely scoff at the budget required to see those brought to life. As for me personally I don't really want to see a large scale apocalyptic scenario. It's maybe natural but ultimately predictable.
So much to respond to...
I'll start with ifox: I agree with these new Marvel comics being mediocre. I'd probably actually say they're abysmal lol. I quit reading them after three issues of the second ark. Aliens Fireteams Elite does indeed tie to Alien Echo. That slipped my mind mainly because I haven't read Echo. I'm aware of the amount of universe building that the rpg has done but I haven't played it. Ultimately I'm curious if Disney would care enough to consider that canon though. I don't think Alien really has anyone that over See's Alien continuity like Star Wars has. I think the closest we get is Ridley Scott who's vision is inconsistent to say the least. He mainly cares about his films and at least respects Aliens.
But I do think Disney will at least canonize some things much like Star Wars. I forgot to say Alien Isolation still seems to matter somewhat with Seegson playing a very minor role in Fireteams.
What if they showed Godzilla alongside dinosaurs, specifically some of the largest ones, like Argentinosaurus or Patagotitan?
Skull Island was fine but Kong felt nowhere as big as Godzilla (probably because he wasn't at the time). I'll admit that the sense of scale is present in one of the posters where he stood much taller than the terrain surrounding him. In the opening sequence of GvK, Kong was standing in enormous rainforest trees and the canopy was at his shoulder level. That made him feel small (not much larger than he was in K:SI). When Kong was standing next to the skyscrapers of Hong Kong, he felt much bigger.
They should bring it back to being more a horror franchise primarily, rather than an action one, but they need to have various different plotlines. Also, I think there is a place for spinoff scoi-fi stories set in the same verse but without the aliens born from the black goo. Maybe use the unused Alien design by Ron Cobb in an interesting plotline as that is a wasted design for an extraterrestrial. Make them distinct enough from the xenomorph-XX121and make the blot not just an 'ALIEN' clone.
That could have actually been the premise of an episode of the show
Xenotaris: Why use old characters? I would rather see new ones
Godzilla in neither the past nor future nor present.
How or why my friend, I can not answer.
But where? why, no were else but....
the twilight zone
They could always canonize Billie and Wilks, (Newt's and Hick's replacements from the rewrites of the Earth War trilogy)
Maybe I'll make some disappointed when I say this but here it goes - I've never seen the alien-story being about Ripley having a family and everything being about a happy ending and whatever. If you want positivity and a happy ending you can check out other franchises. Here bad things happen and people die (Alien anyone?) so deal with it. Even the AVP's and the prequels were never about that so the majority are in line with the first one.
I think that he's totally wrong about Hicks and Newt being killed off. They did the right decision IMO. Comics to me don't count since they're not official material, the movies are and the rest is fiction if you ask me.
“What Alien needs is something new. Not more of the same.”
This, I would like to see new worlds, new monsters, maybe new corporations and how they try to screw each-other over. Characters that are not tied to anyone that came before would be welcomed, they need to be well-written and executed.
The prequels are mixed but at least they tried something new. Give me new movies and new characters, more of the same would be boring.
“Would you rather more prequel era lore or perhaps a new timeline overall?"
I would say keep what was good in the prequels. I liked the Engineers, the black goo and the idea of new monsters. Developing the Engineers is my biggest wish if we shall talk about things that should be kept and developed from the prequels. 1, 2, and 3 are those that matter to me but the rest is from average (AVP, AR, and the prequels) to really bad (AVPR).
Ripley should have stayed dead after Alien 3, they made a mockery out of that character in AR. Hicks, what should his role have been in a prison planet? Maybe they could have gone with another story but I don't miss that character in Alien 3.
“The BROADER PLOT of Prometheus does OPEN-UP the Franchise to a MUCH LARGER UNIVERSE and Scope.…”
Very much so if you ask me. Just because Prometheus was a disappointment doesn't mean that you got to throw everything away that it introduced. It opened up the alien-universe so it didn't become about running away from the Xeno for the 100th time.
“and YES i think they will TRY to Connect to Characters from the Original Movies and Especially the First Two.”
Oh please no, that would be boring
Kong Skull Island?
"So I feel like that’s where the timeline diverges, and you can kind of choose your own adventure at that point."
This was ALSO the way that Neil Blomkamp looked at his ALIEN V it would give us TWO ALTERNATIVE Continuations to ALIENS. So Fans can enjoy either, or Reject One in Favor of the other. I THINK this is what PKJ is on about in Terms of the Comics/Novels and Video Games...
"What Alien needs is something new. Not more of the same"
NinXeno426 i Totally agree....
Especially as FAR as having to Re-Tread with Familiar Characters, even if its just to Connect to a Family Member (Amanda) i am NOT SURE you have to KEEP doing this..... The BIGGER PLAYERS in the Franchise have to be the Company and WHY they have such a Interest in the Xenomorphs, and Engineers. I would say A.I has its Role, and you have to have something that is Related to the Xenomorph....
You do-not Need the same Company but the Story has to be about WHY and WHERE and WHEN we get Humans who get themselves into Trouble with the Horrors the Engineers had Created.... and to WHY did this Happen.... and having a A.I or Company behind it with their own AGENDA is what Drives the PLOT/STORY.
You then have to CREATE and Flesh Out like New Characters and IF they are Well Written and Executed then you DO-NOT need to have the Old Cast or Relatives of them become Involved.
The BROADER PLOT of Prometheus does OPEN-UP the Franchise to a MUCH LARGER UNIVERSE and Scope....
But i think that DISNEY will PLAY it SAFE and will NOT go and Diverge too FAR from what we had before.... so it will be some LV-XXX World, it will have Eggs, Face Huggers and a MONSTER that will STAY VERY CLOSE to what we saw in the Franchise.... and YES i think they will TRY to Connect to Characters from the Original Movies and Especially the First Two.
So their Vision is Limited and we will be STUCK within the Small Confines of the BOX that was ALIEN/ALIENS.
"Real reason more likely they probably felt they couldn't make as much money off of pre existing storylines"
This REALLY is the case......as in they know that the MAJORITY would view ALIENS as the BIGGEST of the Franchise and so to have 4 Major Characters all KILLED OFF by the TIME we Finish ALIEN 3, had Disappointed many Fans.
They was then STUCK as FAR as HOW can you continue after ALIEN 3, you need the Xenomorph, but what is a ALIEN MOVIE without Ripley and HENCE we got the PLOT for Alien Resurrection.... simply Because they Struggle to think of NEW THINGS and Worry that you have to have RIPLEY to SELL!
Blomkamps 2 Alien V Projects and the Walter Hill/David Giler version of their Alien V all had Ripley in and so would De-Canon those Movies (Alien 3/Alien R).
And so with the Novels/Comics we have seen Stories which would Remove Alien 3 etc from Canon.... Personally i think Ripleys Story was TOLD in the First 4 Movies you have the OPTION of Continue with her in a ALIEN R sequel... but that Movie was a bit of a Disappointment.... and even so i think they should LEAVE her Story as it was.
It sucks that Newt got Killed but the ONLY option would have been to SET the Plot of ALIEN 3 like 6-7 Years latter as well at the TIME that Alien 3 was Shooting then Carrie Henn was 15...... UNLESS they Cast another 9-10 Year Old to Play her.
Hicks i can Understand why some would be UPSET... i dont know why Michael Biehn could not have been Cast/Written into a ALIEN 3 and then Ripley Dies (Miss Weaver wanted out) and the Torch could have been PASSED to Hicks.
But as FAR as Comics/Novels such is the Fondness for these Characters that its NO WONDER that some Novels/Comics will COVER them and IGNORE the 3rd Movie as Canon.
You can try and place kaiju next to mountains (on accurate scale) can see how that looks. Kong was on mountains in a scene in GvK and he felt no bigger than a normal ape due to the lack of intuitive size references. Mountains are simply too big for monsters; they make them look small in comparison.
"pointless to match two completely different characters with many varied iterations against one another."
Pointless, but fun
What about giant mountains?
Future so that there can be futuristic tech and powerful weaponry, and that writers can explore crazy concepts without going down the “fantasy” route. Enormous skyscrapers can help convey the scale of monsters better than ancient terrain.
“Superman has a weakness to radioactivity since kryptonite itself is radioactive”
That’s not how radiation works. Superman gets his powers from solar radiation. Also, I personally think it’s pointless to match two completely different characters with many varied iterations against one another.
Just because godzilla beat an opponent with that power, does not mean he has that same power.
but god Godzilla controls the universe and time
Just to be fair, Superman can defy physics and turn back time by spinning the earth backwards
SUPER COOL but WHERE ARE THE MUTOS?!?!!?
why does the head look like its broken
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yeah Dark Horse where really good at writing ALIEN comics. I although as much as I want Newt, Hicks and Ripley being retconned back to life... In the end it would be a terrible idea for the Alien cinematic universe. It would open a door to retcon more stuff which would ruin the alien movies.
I think that between the new novels and the RPG, there is a lot going for the "new canon." The RPG does not throw away Alien 3, btw. It acknowledges the xenomorph itself from the movie and uses the idea of the Starbeast "novel" by Robert Morse, originally mentioned, I think, in the Weyland-Yutani Report.
I am particularly fond of the direction that the novels by Alex White (The Cold Forge and Into Charybdis) have taken. They are both really excellent reads and also follow the general trends in the new canon. They bring in the political aspects - the UA, 3WE, UPP, and ICSC, and the corporate aspects - particularly the WYU vs Seegson stuff. Into Charybdis even ties into Prometheus very briefly. They also do some really startling things with the "black goo" from Prometheus and Covenant.
As for the comics, I am buying the new Marvel stuff, but I see very little real effort to stick to the canon of the RPG and novels, especially in the second arc and in the Aftermath comic. I am starting to feel like the Marvel comics are what some here have referred to as "fluff."
One thing I DO like though is the continued and even expanded use of some of the better characters from the old Dark Horse days, like Zula Hendricks from Defiance, who has also featured in the novel Prototype. Its also nice to see the new novels using Amanda Ripley from Isolation and Olivia Shipp from Echo. All of these are great characters that continue the legacy of Ellen Ripley as a strong female sci-fi character. I believe Olivia even shows up in Fireteam Elite, though I have yet to play it.
I would love to see Blue Marsalis from the Alex White novels return as she is probably my favorite Alien/s character at this point, and is certainly the most surprising.
I actually think that what I have seen of the "new canon" is very promising (minus the lackluster marvel comics). I personally don't care if they retcon Resurrection, but I guess we will have to see what happens. The Alien universe has a lot of potential for growth and expansion, particularly if the authors and directors, going forward, lean into the political and corporate aspects.
SP typo sorry
Well if your talking about an amalgamation of all godzillas then yeah.
Nothing can beat SO in my opinion though
It sounds like you are describing a tv show called ‘V’.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_(2009_TV_series)
Maybe?
