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The main problem I see is film continuity vs limitations of current technology. Obviously during the time original Alien was made technology was limited in what it could produce as future computer displays. This is typical of all long running sci-fi franchises such as Star Wars and Star Trek. Just look at the CRT 4.3 aspect ratios computer displays in Star Trek The Next compared to the more modern, wide screen, flat plasmas in star trek enterprise which is set 200 hundred years earlier!. Don't even need to ask to see the difference from the Star Trek TOS. Nonetheless it is annoying to the hardcore fans but to your casual viewer who wants to see hi-tech they will produce the best that is available at the current time. However to please both, I have a solution that I think would be cool. Perhaps in Prometheus in the event for hi security level access to certain information as witness in access to MU/TH/UR in the original Alien then it could be simple typed based access. They could justify it in the film for some security reasons. That way it will limit the differences between the two films.

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Anything that came after Alien should be forgotten! The introduction of the Queen took the very essence of the alien away. Aliens for me ruined a truly unique creation by turning it into a giant ant. The original concept was that the alien could self reproduce. What is happening to Dallas and Brett at the end of alien is truly terrifying. I believe they will stick to the idea that the aliens were created by the space jockys for military/clean ups. I believe they will also show how ruthless these space jockys are.

I hope there is an adaption by Heavy Metal magazine - the film would be in 'good hands'. Also a good, thick novel.

Dear Neurion, Of course alot of what you say could be the case, but also some of your statements are based on deduction and not fact.To me(imho), it is clear that the company knew of the Xeno's capabilities as a weapon(from Ash's comments).Is it in the novel where Ash meets the Alien?, I am not sure I might even be imagining it.(but Bishop definately does in Aliens and they ignore him because he is an android) Anyway, I think a big part of Prometheus movie (s) will explain the Derelict on LV-426 and how we knew of the existence of the Xeno, hope so anyway!!!

I agree the company already had data on the alien and knew exactly what it was capable of. Prometheus is going to give us the back story on how this 'data' was aquired.Perhaps the Prometheus crew manage to steal an alien sample and take it back to earth? Who knows? I believe Ridley Scott is the only man who could have Directed this film, Mr.Cameron, you stick to Terminators please!

GRIK!!!!! That is one of the best ideas yet!!!!!! If you were to connect that to ALIEN. The 'Lone Space Jockey' on its way to earth. Crash lands on LV - 426 due to??? Facehugger let on the loose purposely from his kind. AND the humans get stuck in the middle of the conflict as you explained. I know its speculation at this point but good idea. Would explain few things but who knows!!!!!

Sorry was also meant to say could the 'lone space jockey's' technology be.....The Egg???? Or is that stupid???

I don't really connect the derelict on LV-426 since it's been crashed for millions of years, I think. With regards to the derelict, I think a facehugger escaped while the ship was in transit, impregnated the jockey and end of story. Another idea floating around in my head was- there might have only been one facehugger on board the derelict, it impregnates the pilot, a chestbuster is born, turns into a queen in the absense of the rest of her species and LAYS all the other eggs on LV-426.

I TOTALLY forgot!!!!! I think your right. The ship is there for quite sometime. Have to say Grik you should write more of your opinions up because they make a lot of sense ha. If that other idea was true it would also make sense. Like the derlict ship was full of eggs. How did they get there? The queen that burst out of the Space Jockey!!! Well Done.

Arrgy, I don’t mean to be a nit-picky jerk, but Special Order actually stated: “ Investigate life form.” Not NEW life form. I suppose it probably doesn’t matter too much, except that your post strongly suggested that the company “knew what the Alien was and what it could do.” And that may be the case…to be further illustrated in PROMETHEUS. However, I’ve never been in that camp…all the way back to 1979, as I watched ALIEN in terror…when I was twelve. There is no doubt that the company knew that they were sending the Nostromo and crew to investigate and gather an alien life form specimen…for further analysis. That much is obvious. What is NOT obvious, is whether or not the company had prior knowledge of the hostile nature of the Alien organism. Of course, ALIENS and ALIEN 3 go out of their way to portray Weyland-Yutani as money grubbing, heartless, corporate bastards, which is true…as Special Order 937 illustrates and confirms. But, way back in 1979, I think that Dan O’Bannon, Ron Shusett Ridley Scott, David Giler, and Gordon Carroll, wanted audiences to believe that the company picked up a signal or message from outer space…of unknown origin…and intent. No details…manifested in 12 seconds of arcane extra-terrestrial sounds. It is reasonable to assume that interstellar space travel is still a fairly new experience for mankind in the 2100s A.D. This may have been a “first contact” potential or an “encounter of the second kind” for humanity. So, obviously the company would have been quite interested in investigating such a mysterious and potentially profitable discovery. If the PROMETHEUS film does end up depicting that the company had foreknowledge of the Alien’s hostile and deadly nature, I think it will be a kind of narrative cheat…or retroactive story patch. Not too dissimilar to George Lucas’ retroactive, double flippo, bullshite story patch in RETURN OF THE JEDI. When we all found out that Darth Vader didn’t actually “MURDER” Luke’s Jedi dad, he actually is his father.......from a certain point of view? What a bunch of crap that was. I remember sitting in the theatre on opening day thinking…WTF?...Oh you did not just do that with STAR WARS…George. I felt like we were ripped off...and then began to realize the crappy direction STAR WARS was headed. Anyways, what do you guys think? ~Neurion

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Hi Guys, I also asked a similar question Hudson25. PROMETHEUS is going to be what they have said.....A STAND ALONE FILM. We might not even find out what happened the derlict ship on LV - 426. Everthing is up in the air at the moment so its kind of hard to know what will be explained. Like everyone am sure, you would like if Ridley Scott put in an image, a scene or converstaion that might explain what happened. OR you might just see something yourself in the film that will kick start your imagination and clear the whole thing up. At the end of the day this is about the SPACE JOCKEYS. We've seen from behind the scene shots they are back in ALIEN STYLE territory. They have to meet some big ass SPACE JOCKEY!!!!!! I hope ;) Am not sure what discussion i saw it in or where i read it but i remember it said that crew might all die. Plenty to speculate on that i know but NOT 100% sure about that ha ha. It's great to see so many people thinking about this film. Loads of ideas and thoughts. Keep it up.

For some reason I think that Weyland- Yutani has no knowledge of the alien before Alien the film but some of Earth's governments do. I also think that a select few leaders on Earth will have prior knowledge of the space jockeys too.

I agree with you Grik, they are saying that there will be an archeological dig in the beginning of Prometheus which will uncover the Alien DNA that leads the team to seek out the Space Jockeys. So I have to imagine the Company or Weyland Corp. at this point in time will have to know a little bit about them prior to the events of the first Alien movie. To respond to drogie21's comment on everyone dying, I think members of the crew will survive/exist by the end of this installment I'm just not sure how human some of them will be. With Giger on board for this production, who knows what sort of bizarre, perverse imagery they may go for this time out. In another thread talking about subverting Charlize Theron's beauty in this movie, I couldn't help but let my mind wander at the very thought that her character and others could be radically altered or changed into servant creatures to the Space Jockeys themselves. Maybe some kind of bio-mechanical humanoid similar to a borg or something weird like that. That would be mind tripping to see and could possibly lend credence to the rumor floating around that some very perverse things are going to happen in this movie. Again I'm just speculating on these ideas, but man that would be a radical departure from what we know as the Alien universe. Giger has a whole back catalogue of designs Ridley can choose from, I'm wondering if they may do something else inspired by his crazy art. lol

[quote]I don’t mean to be a nit-picky jerk, but Special Order actually stated: “ Investigate life form.” Not NEW life form. I suppose it probably doesn’t matter too much, except that your post strongly suggested that the company “knew what the Alien was and what it could do.” And that may be the case…to be further illustrated in PROMETHEUS. However, I’ve never been in that camp…all the way back to 1979, as I watched ALIEN in terror…when I was twelve. There is no doubt that the company knew that they were sending the Nostromo and crew to investigate and gather an alien life form specimen…for further analysis. That much is obvious. What is NOT obvious, is whether or not the company had prior knowledge of the hostile nature of the Alien organism. Of course, ALIENS and ALIEN 3 go out of their way to portray Weyland-Yutani as money grubbing, heartless, corporate bastards, which is true…as Special Order 937 illustrates and confirms. But, way back in 1979, I think that Dan O’Bannon, Ron Shusett Ridley Scott, David Giler, and Gordon Carroll, wanted audiences to believe that the company picked up a signal or message from outer space…of unknown origin…and intent. No details…manifested in 12 seconds of arcane extra-terrestrial sounds. [/quote] Ok then this conversation must mean that Ash actually "met" the Alien? Ripley: Ash, can you hear me? Ash? Ash: [speaking in an electronic, distorted voice] Yes, I can hear you. Ripley: What was your special order? Ash: You read it. I thought it was clear. Ripley: What was it? Ash: Bring back life form. Priority One. All other priorities rescinded. Parker: The damn company. What about our lives, you son of a bitch? Ash: I repeat, all other priorities are rescinded. Ripley: How do we kill it Ash? There's gotta be a way of killing it. How? How do we do it? Ash: You can't. Parker: That's bullshit. Ash: You still don't understand what you're dealing with, do you? Perfect organism. Its structural perfection is matched only by its hostility. Lambert: You admire it. Ash: I admire its purity. A survivor... unclouded by conscience, remorse, or delusions of morality. Parker: Look, I am... I've heard enough of this, and I'm asking you to pull the plug. Ash: [Ripley goes to disconnect Ash, who interrupts] Last word. Ripley: What? Ash: I can't lie to you about your chances, but... you have my sympathies. How else would he know these things, unless the company already knew of the xeno?Why did he replace the science officer just beofre they were due to leave earth?Of course the company knew of the xeno and I am sure this is the question Scott referred to recently(about what hasn't been asked about Alien) and is one of the motives of Prometheus - How did we know about the xenos?

Dear Theusprom, As I expressed in my previous post, it is obvious that the company knew about the Space Jockey’s signal/message prior to the Nostromo departing from Thedus...with it’s new replacement, android, science officer. Once again, it is NOT a question of whether or not the company and Ash knew about the twelve second, extra-terrestrial message…THEY DID! The question is: WHAT EXACTLY DID THE COMPANY GLEAN OR EXTRAPOLATE FROM THE STRANGE AND APPARENTLY INDECYPHERABLE ALIEN TRANSMISSION? According to the original ALIEN film, we the viewer, can assume that after Ash had time to study at least the Facehugger, and perhaps even the behavior of the Chestburster and the adult Alien, he secretly communicated his findings to the company. Who in turn responded to him with their intentions and further orders for him to carry out. It could be that Special Order 937 was issued prior to Ash’s departure from Thedus…or after the crew encountered the Alien organism after entering the Derelict spacecraft. In either case, I don’t think that the company was privy to the HOSTILE NATURE of the Alien organism. They just knew they had picked up the transmission/SOS/warning of unknown and probably extra-terrestrial origin. So, like any good businessmen, Weyland-Yutani saw a potentially profitable and unprecedented discovery too tempting to pass up…even at the expense of the human lives serving aboard the Nostromo. Thus, they dispatched Ash, a true “company man” or company android asset. The bottom line is, the Nostromo must have been the closest company vessel available to investigate the source of the transmission. Otherwise, why would they send a space tug crewed by “space truckers” to investigate a potentially intelligent alien life form…in lieu of a better equipped science team and vessel. I think that the company was on the dark in regard to the dangerous and deadly aspects of the Alien until Ash communicated it’s nature and behavior to them. Now, it could be that the new film PROMETHEUS will render everything I’ve just written above…as a bunch of hooey…by adding a newly written history that brings in new information that changes things. However, after following the ALIEN franchise for about 32 years, this is at least my personal take and understanding of these science fictional events. I hope and think that my understanding is accurate…at least as far as what Dan O’Bannon and Ridley Scott originally intended the audience to understand about the story…back in May of ’79. In the end, this is FICTION, and the filmmakers are free to do whatever they feel might be more entertaining and profitable from a 20th Century Fox/Weyland-Yutani perspective. What do you think? ~Neurion

I agree that he did say cold because that is in the script. The coldest anything can theoretically get is -273C, absolute zero. Life can still exist close to this temperature because there are microorganisms that survive the harshness of space. And, of course, the alien itself can survive in space as at the end of Alien when it tries to climb back into the Narcissus' thruster. In my opinion it would have been more interesting if Ash did say coal because that has implications about LV-426. It would suggest that millions of years ago the planetoid supported life and perhaps the introduced aliens hunted that life to extinction. The space jockey ship, after all, had been there a long time. Just a subtle word like "coal" could have helped to build up an intriguing mythology.

Hey guys, I am so glad that someone is thinking like me. I would be so stoked if the action figure line would be done by hasbro like a star wars or gi joe scale in the space jockey would be the same scale as galactus. It is such a bummer that kenner had an sction figure line for the first alien that fit the movie precisly and it never hit the shelves. It is just an idea. You know dark horse comics us going ro have their hand involved in this but I think alot of items related to prometheus will be released at th eleventh hour. Ridley is a smart film maker and he knows how to sell this movie by keeping things elusive. Its brilliant!

I think it'll be revealed that the space jockeys have been space faring for millions of years. I think they will be portrayed as engineers that may have had a hand in genetically modifying an early human ancestor into what we are today- as is told in nearly all religious stories. The alien will be a species that these "Gods" have also created. The greek tale of Prometheus is one where the titan, Prometheus, gives mankind a technology they did not previously possess- fire. I think, then, that a lone space jockey will give modern day man, in secret, a technology that the rest of the space jockey species will deem to have been an irresponsible action. This tech could possibly be FTL travel or some other knowledge. This clash of interests with the space jockeys could be the basis for the conflict in the film with a team of human scientists caught in the middle. A bit like a modern day battle between heaven and hell.

Hahaha…Ruhaniya, hilarious frakin’…is wit singular your again once. All this speculation about Weyland-Yutani knowing about the ALIEN organism prior to the events in the ALIEN and ALIENS films is pretty interesting. However, we cannot forget the words of that nasty lookin’ company she-man in ALIENS, “and found something never recorded once in over 300 surveyed worlds...“ Of course she may have been lying to Ripley…or ignorant to the Company’s more clandestine outer spatial doings. Also…Ridley Scott may not even bother adhering to elements of “JAMES CAMERON’S” sequel. So what do you other “Star Gazers” think…is that a valid point? ~Neurion

Hahaha…Ruhaniya, hilarious frakin’…is wit singular your again once. All this speculation about Weyland-Yutani knowing about the ALIEN organism prior to events or ALIEN and ALIENS is pretty interesting. However, we cannot forget the words of that nasty lookin’ company she-man in ALIENS, “and found something never recorded once in over 300 surveyed worlds. ...“ Of course she may have been lying to Ripley…or ignorant to the Company’s more clandestine outer spatial doings. Also…Ridley Scott may not even bother adhering to elements of “JAMES CAMERON’S” sequel. So what do you “Star Gazers” think…is that a valid point? ~Neurion

There is no doubt that the company knew about the derlict ship and the Alien before the Nostromo got there. Special Order 937 EMERGENCY COMMAND OVERRIDE 100375 NOSTROMO REROUTED TO NEW CO-ORDINATES. INVESTIGATE NEW LIFE-FORM. GATHER SPECIMEN. PRIORITY ONE INSURE RETURN OF ORGANISM FOR ANALYSIS. ALL OTHER CONSIDERATIONS SECONDARY. CREW EXPENDABLE. ======================= So there is no doubt that the Nostromo was sent by the company to get the Alien. The order implies that the company knew what the Alien was and what it could do. The question that remains is HOW did the company know?

@Reaper I just wanted to say that was an awesome post. Totally agree with you on that they have to avoid the inverse ninja law.

My theory is that Ash says "Deep Cold, well below the line." Meaning that there is some line, so artificial temperature at which life could exist, whatever that temperature is, and LV-426 is below that. Plus.... You can not trust ANYTHING that ASH says in Alien.

Restarting of Alien pranchise? A dream come true :)

That would be a great dream...to restart and keep to the dark mythos of the story. When part 3 and 4 came out, that mythos disappeared as well, as a good written story with actual work put into it. Perhaps this will open the door...

To be honest that won't happen will it... Really? I'm with you guys. If they did do Alien 3 again (with Biehn and Weaver) it would certainly make most Alien fans dreams! But just to scrap 3 and 4 as never happened, I don't know if the studio's would back it... Of course there has been a lot of 'reimmaginings' recently so who knows..

I'm a fan of all 4 movies to be honest. But I like every sequel less than its predecessor. The first remains the best movie overall and my personal favorite film. I do not really care much for continuing the movie series after the second movie. I feel this has been done to death in comics and novels (some of which were very good). This is why I think the approach Ridley is taking with Prometheus seems to be the best way to go about making another film that ties into the ALIEN universe. It would be great if Prometheus does well enough in the box office to warrant a sequel. But I don't believe its ties to the alien franchise will help it. After all the Alien movie franchise is dying/dead. Fox knows this very well. Just because the original creators (minus OBannon) are coming back for a prequel is not enough to motivate new audiences to spend money at the theater to see this new film. This movie will have to do well on its own.

I honestly believe the events and mythology created in "Aliens" will be ignored or even wiped clean with Prometheus. Aliens was a great Sci-fi Action film, but ALIEN is so much more intriguing and well-made. I would gladly like to forget the "[i]oh no! we're fighting giants bugs and their hive queen![/i]" concept of Aliens for a return to a more unique sci-fi concept such as the one in the original film.

It has already been stated by Damon Lindelof that the ending of Prometheus will not be the start of Alien. The Space Jockey found in Alien was fossilised (IE millions of years old), and Prometheus is set 30 years before Alien.It must be another Jockey that the story of Prometheus is about. We already know that some of Prometheus is set millions of years in the past, so maybe that is where the Space Jockey on LV-426 will be wrote into the story.Either that, or god forbid, it has time travel in it.

If only they could start after Aliens and rewrite the story from there.

Theusprom, I never thought about it like that. I guess it would probably be better to tell a story about a different Space Jockey(s) and not so much about that particular one we see in the Derelict Ship. That would keep the mysterious aspect of his arrival there in tact. The audience will be able to make the connection to that particular Jockey once they see how the events in Prometheus unfold and their connection to the Alien creature itself. I did wonder if they tried to explain what happened to the fossilized Space Jockey, how they could account for the level of decay in just 30 years time? I think your point sounds more plausible.

Yeah, I do hope they tie the Jockey,from Alien, into the story somehow. From what I've been picking up, they find something on earth which leads them to the Engineer (s), wake him/them up, have a chat, piss him/them off and then it all kicks off.I think the end of the second movie, if they make it, will lead more into Alien. Can't wait :)

Well hopefully this first movie lives up to our expectations AND does well enough at the box office to warrant a sequel. That's a hard combo to pull-off.

Getting back on topic here, I think some unique twists are going to be taken at the end of the film. I can't help but think that several members of the expedition are going to come to a grisly end by means of being killed and/or transformed by the material held within the urns/capsules. I wonder if they will become the new xenomorphs that have been mentioned? I think Charlize Theron's character Vickers won't live to see the end, seeing that she was originally intended to be a throw-away character in the early script by Lindelof but has since been expanded more to accomodate her high-profile status. Still, should be interesting to see what she is about and if she has a pivotal part in the end if she makes it that long. Another thing I would like to see is the David character somehow surviving the mission and living to report his findings back to the Company. Maybe this is where Guy Pearce's role will come in. It doesn't appear from the pics we have seen so far that he is part of the expedition that makes contact with the Space Jockeys. Perhaps he is affiliated with the Company and plays more of a political figure rather than an explorer/scientist. Well those are some of my theories bouncing around in my head at this point. Anybody care to share what they think is going to happen?

A lot of people are guessing that some of the crew are going to "transform" into something. It is an interresting hypothesis, but could the ALIEN really be just a human science project? It will be interresting to see how this all plays out.

what i want to know: i wonder what happened to the rest of the crew. like Lambert said and now so do i. i would love to see that happen in the next sequel: Prometheus II. should be a fun mystery.

Simple. there was no rest of the crew. The Space Jockey was it, I always that it was an odd comment by Lambert to make. Then again Lambert was weird transsexual gender based character to begin with. I still believe the ship was a warship that loves to drop little eggies on unuspecting planets to wipe out the population but leave the technology in tact. This ship just happened to let an eggie loose and it killed the Jockey which forced the ship to crash. Pretty simple. What isn't simple.....How the heck did the Company know?!? If that question isn't answered....my life will have no meaning.

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