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G. H. (Gman)Godzilla ForumDr Houston Brooks ever…

I believe that was the latest Monarch Director played by Lance Riddick, not Brooks. Riddick originally had a bigger part in the film, but his scenes were cut.

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MonsterZeroAlien: Covenant ForumThe Engineers (Sub Creation)

Alien:Resurrection takes place in 2386. W Y and the military are still running around looking for the perfect weapon, you'd think they'd be targeting Engineer / Elder technology by the 24th century....surely they have come across these aliens by that time?!

Maybe the Earth is dystopian and there just isn't any space exploration. 

 

I'd like to see more Engineers..... but after the year 2400. Don't have to be so concerned with the timeline. 

 

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7ameyJurassic World NewsFeathered T-Rex! Pictures of the Jurassic World Dominion F9 preview footage have leaked online!

Why do they always have to have a hero dinosaur and a villain one? This is not Godzilla! I miss the old trilogy where they're at least trying to be more accurate to science, and that it's about humans versus dinosaurs, not good dinosaurs versus bad dinosaurs...

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7ameyGodzilla ForumDr Houston Brooks ever…

HinikunaGoji

That wasn't Houston Brooks. You can find him in the prequel comic Kingdom Kong though.

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DjdndnejwnwnGodzilla ForumDr Houston Brooks ever…

like the scene after kong wakes up where He and the other dr talk

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XenotarisGodzilla ForumFlat Head Godzilla

dilophosaurus has a flat broad head if you remove its crests it looks like a ceolophysis

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DjdndnejwnwnGodzilla ForumFlat Head Godzilla

Xenotaris

Kind of, but Im thinking of Dilophosaurus, Cryolophosaurus, Monolophosaurus, and others, which all dont have flat heads

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XenotarisGodzilla ForumFlat Head Godzilla

maybe not sauropods but theropods tend to have flat broad heads

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DjdndnejwnwnGodzilla ForumDr Houston Brooks ever…

Im pretty sure Dr. Brooks survived kotm because I see him in gvk

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DjdndnejwnwnGodzilla ForumFlat Head Godzilla

Xenotaris

Japanese creatures tend to be more insectoid or mammailian in mythology. But dinosaurs didnt have particularly flat heads.

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XenotarisGodzilla ForumFlat Head Godzilla

Well its because reptiles tend to have flat heads while mammals tend to have round heads.

Godzilla is supposed to be a reptile which is why americans make him more reptilian however the Japanese design him to be more mammalian? who knows why?

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Zo-zla-halawaGodzilla ForumDr Houston Brooks ever…

No but only Godzilla related is king of all monsters movie and Aftershocks and in that comic he said he was going to skull island 

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DjdndnejwnwnGodzilla ForumFlat Head Godzilla

SasquaDash

Thats not at all the point of this thread. iT was talking about a design choice, whether or not you like the design is your opinion.

Zo-zla-halawa

I want to counter your arguament in saying MOnsterverse Goji cant be called

the king of the monsters because it didnt fight classic toho monsters is flawed. He fought Ghidorah, and hesei fought a new kaiju in its first two monster movie.

 

 

Also random note, the flat head seems to be a very american design choice.

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DjdndnejwnwnGodzilla ForumDr Houston Brooks ever…

isnt Dr brooks in GvK?

Other than that info I cant contribute much

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SasquaDashGodzilla ForumFlat Head Godzilla

So you're trying to dictate what a "True Godzilla" design is based only on their head shapes...

 

are you serious...?

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumThe Engineers (Sub Creation)

So what we have is a STORY about Sub-Creation....  The Engineers Created us (which kind who knows, depends if they going for the LV-223 and Planet 4 as being the same or a Sub-Creation of the other).  This Plot was Continued with David with him playing Doctor Moreau/Frankenstein and it seems likely we would have seen WHAT ELSE he Created Next.

So we are going DOWN that Creation Layer of the Cake.

Where as with Prometheus the SET-UP was to Discover what is UP the Layer of Creation, as Dr Shaw wanted to know... "who Created them" but Theatrically we NEVER got a Clear Answer.

Back in the Summer of 2015 it seemed Ridley Scott was still Interested in that Question.

“I thought the subtext of that film was a bit florid and grandiose, but it asks a good question: who created us?”

Well Prometheus had indicated the Engineers, so thats something we kind of KNOW unless he had Intended to Change that a Little?

He Continued....

“You’ve got to go back and find those engineers and see what they are thinking. If engineers are the forerunners of us, and therefore were creators of life forms in places that were possible for biology to function, who created that? Where’s the big boy?”

So this seems to Indicate the Engineers played a Role in our Creation and that WHY was something they was looking to maybe Explore....  But then there was that Question.... that someone/some Race had Created those Engineers.

But alas it seems things Changed before we got to the Final Drafts that became Alien Covenant, with that Movie there is NOTHING on Screen that is to SHOW that those Engineers and the Ones in Prometheus are NOT the same.  Ridley Scott had said they DID-NOT want to Meet God in the First Movie and with Dr Shaws intended QUESTIONS then it would seem our Engineers are merely a Sub-Creation by some other Race/Being.

There is NOT enough given to Prove if they are going for the LV-223 kinds to be a Sub-Creation of the Planet 4 kind, all RS had indicated was that the Engineers are NOT a RACE but a Civilization and so there can be some Diversity in their Appearance.  Also the LV-223 guys are the Military so they are likely Engineered as Super Soldiers.

so we NEVER really got more Depth/History to our Engineers, we NEVER had any Clear Indication as to WHO had Created Them or if that THEM applies to our Prometheus Engineers.

Ridley Scott has Confirmed the Engineers are NOT just Confined to Planet 4 and LV-223 and we would have seen them Return.  What he had given away and Chris Seagers is the HALL OF HEADS are the Hierarchy of the Engineers those who had Created the CULT/WAYS of their Civilization.

The Hall of Heads shows a Race who have some Diversity in their Appearance. Where are these Guys? likely LONG GONE.... would they have been TALLER than our Engineers?

Michelle brought up the Babushka Doll and so maybe the OLDER GENERATIONS of the Engineers are Taller?  even within the Abrahamic Faith it seems indicated that ADAM was MUCH MORE Taller than our Current Human Form.

I think it was a Missed Opportunity to NOT go and Explore the Layer of the Cake above our Engineers.

"If engineers are the forerunners of us, and therefore were creators of life forms in places that were possible for biology to function, who created that? Where’s the big boy?”

So YES i think we should go and Explore who the BIG BOY or Big Boys are.

Our Engineers are likely the Sub-Creation of someone else.

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumThe Engineers (Sub Creation)

I think the THEMES are Important as thats the Anchor Points the Foundation of the STORY but you need to then TELL that STORY in a Good Way.

With the Engineers we dont have much of a Explanation as far as Theatrically so for those who have ONLY seen the Movies then there is NOTHING MUCH given away about them and LESS SO with Alien Covenant

We have to remember the STARTING POINT for the Prequels was to give us more Information on WHO is the Space Jockey, more so as far as WHAT was their RACE and Intention with that Cargo (it also covered a bit about the Cargo but this was REDUCED down when we got to Prometheus).

So the STORY was to be about HOW can you Explore the Space Jockey and give them a STORY that we can Connect to Earth and this is WHEN they went for the CHARIOT OF THE GODS kind of Plot.

That the Space Jockey are the Creators of Humanity, and that they are Humanoid in Appearance to we can RELATE to them. Thus in many of the Ancient Cultures and Religions that DEPICT our Creators/Gods we see they are Mainly VERY HUMAN looking.... many accounts more so than even the Planet 4 Engineers.

some Cultures do depict our Gods as being TALLER than Humans and so THIS is what they went for. But in Numerous Cultures the Gods are NOT really any Larger than us.

So if we are looking at a Interpretation of ALL of our Ancient Mythos/Religion as far as our Creators.... then they do APPEAR to be Very Human.

Going back to the Concepts for Prometheus then some do look LESS HUMAN than others.  The Final Concept they decided on was to make them appear like Living Marble Statues. I dont think it would have COST a Great Deal more to make those Planet 4 Engineers look more like in Prometheus.

Bare in Mind that ONLY their Faces/Heads and Hands are shown on Planet 4, it would NOT have taken Vastly Longer to Paint them more Pale and even USE a Glossy Paint and then stick some Contact Lenses in.

And so i dont think that BUDGET had any Effect on HOW our Engineers looked.

I think the Biggest Issue is the SIZE but with Ridley Scott he did-not want to use any kind of SPECIAL EFFECTS like they used in The Lord of the Rings/The Hobbit etc  It is Plain to see that the Space Jockey is about 12-15ft Tall and this was WHAT was intended with the Engineers.

The Dead Bodies on Planet 4 and the Size of the Doors etc could have been made to look the RIGHT SIZE for beings who are 10-12ft Tall say. But to be fair the Doors did seem to be HUGE so it was merely the Bodies that remained a 6-8ft Scale.

The STORY is Ultimately about CREATION and WHY would you want to SUB-CREATE and its about KNOWLEDGE and HOW that such Knowledge can be a Powerful Tool, its about showing the PITFALLS of Creating something with Free-will and how this can lead to your Creation becoming Rebellious and Sentient.

From Inception its about a Ancient Humanoid Race who have been around for Many Many Millions or over Billion Years, and that this Race had ONCE been Similar to Mankind...  would have had Arts, Entertainment like we have, but they are a Race who Technologically Evolved and Genetically Evolved themselves too.  They then began to LIVE more Basic Lives of the Basic things to Survive and so their Technology was used for Specific Purposes to allow for Survival they likely Shunned Technology like the AMISH people.

They become more Ritual/Religious like a Cult.... they turned against TABOO and SEX as Sex is Basically just to Procreate and so any LUST or EMOTION that is Attached to this they had Abandoned.  So they Procreated by other Means and as they Evolved themselves they came to a Point when they had LOST the Ability to Procreate and YET they had NEVER Managed to become IMMORTAL.... so they became on BORROWED TIME.

They would Seed Words and Evolve Worlds, to the Point to Create other Humanoids in their Likeness where they would then Evolve them Over Time, both Technologically, but also with Knowledge/Customs and Genetically.  They Nurtured their Creations taught them Limited Knowledge (but NOT the FULL FRUITS of their Knowledge).

It seemed that the Idea was these Engineers were TRYING to Evolve themselves to Transpire their Mortality to become Immortal and then their Creations could Inherent all their Knowledge and Technology.

They could COULD-NOT go and Achieve this Transcendence to Immortality and so as a Race who could NOT go and Procreate they had to NOW go and SHARE the Cosmos with their Creations who given TIME and Knowledge could become a Threat, with the Engineers Knowledge and Technology then eventually WE could become the Gods....

It would seem we also then STARTED to NOT see WHY we should Worship and Serve our Creators, we behaved in ways that Offended them... and so this was a PROBLEM and ONE they had attempted to Address by Creating Weapons to Destroy us.

This PLOT has Changed as we carried on with the Prequels, but again NONE of it is Really Explored as far as ON SCREEN but the Basis is still there.

Creation, Sub Creating and to HOW much Free-Will you allow your Creations and the Hubris that your Creations will One Day go and Overthrow you.

With Alien Covenant we was NOT really shown much about the Engineers, which is a SHAME but with the PLOT there can be MANY WORLDS were we can Explore our Engineers.

And for those who are DISAPPOINTED.... they can Introduce a Race who are ABOVE the Engineers who Do-Not have to be too Familiar to Humans ;)

I would have liked to Discover a Race who are more Aesthetically Connected to the Space Jockey in Terms of Body Proportions but YES the Pilot should still be a Space Suit.

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DjdndnejwnwnGodzilla ForumFlat Head Godzilla

G. H. (Gman)

Now Godzilla Ultima is bsically hesei gamera

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G. H. (Gman)Godzilla ForumFlat Head Godzilla

This is a funny thread. I guess I'll add I never thought about the flat head thing, but I prefer my titular kaiju to have mohawks.

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DjdndnejwnwnGodzilla ForumFlat Head Godzilla

I like the less flat head of 1954. The brows make godzilla more menacing to me

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G. H. (Gman)Godzilla ForumGodzilla vs. Kong [Japanese] Box Office Watch (09/01/2021)

HinikunaGoji,
This will be its third weekend coming up, so it's too early to say. But some analysts are projecting it to finish with $15-20 million which would put its attendance around 1.05-1.40 million. If that's the case it will be the lowest grossing and least attended Monsterverse Godzilla film, which isn't great incentive for Toho.

However, I think it will very much surpass $15 million--I'm not sure why analysts are claiming that's a potential cap unless it drops really hard this weekend. Japanese Godzilla fans seems to like it, so if they keep coming back for it the drop might not be very significant. It's just having a hard time finding an audience outside the fan base.

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DjdndnejwnwnGodzilla ForumKong lost End of Story!

Zo-zla-halawa 

so what exactly is your point? Is it in response to people saying kong rules hollow earth?

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Thoughts_DreamsAlien: Covenant ForumThe Engineers (Sub Creation)

BD

There are things that are more interesting than if David has a soul. It might be interesting in itself but I'm not watching the Alien-movies for that.

Give me more about the Engineers, this is a way to expand the franchise with something that's interesting and alien. David is too close to humans and I'm not interested in that (humans versus androids). Keep the android as a side-thing but not a central part. The Engineers is a book, David is or should be a foot-note. Introduces other life-forms, and so on.

“I think the Engineers in Prometheus as a Clone/Genetically Engineered Sub-Creation of the Planet 4 Engineers does FIT with the Themes/Plot.”

I hear what you're saying but I prefer a good story over themes. The original Engineers should have looked more alien if those on Planet 4 were the originals, they were just disappointing and the themes don't matter if the story is disappointing. To paraphrase one of those on the Xenomorphing podcast when they had the episode on Alien Covenant “none of them look like Engineers they look like shit”. Maybe I wouldn't have put it like that but I agree. Alien Covenant is a mixed bag, that's also the opinion of many on the Xenomorphing podcast.

To link human history to the Engineers could be interesting but it still doesn't make it alright to make the Engineers on Planet 4 look like us. Who ever decided to make them look like they do should have made them more Alien. I don't want to single out any particular person but who ever decided that made the wrong decision. You can have a link between humans and the Engineers and still make those on Planet 4 more interesting and more alien because there would be a link anyways which could be explained by some smart writing and by having scenes that make sense. When I look at deleted scenes there were those that should have been kept in (again), the same as in Prometheus.

“ So YES it seems they have been made to be more HUMAN.”
Genetic variations among the Engineers, fine but don't make them like humans because it makes them less interesting. Those on P4 looked more human which I thought was boring and while I understand the idea it doesn't come off as good on the screen. You could look at other movies and find inspiration in them to make the Engineers more Alien (the Orchs in Lord of the Rings for example, or Voldemort in Harry Potter, they both look more interesting while still looking human-ish).

“... about Knowledge and Technology in Part, its to SHOW us these Engineers are NOT really Gods, they are Merely Humanoids who have the BENEFIT of being around for MANY MANY MANY Years more than us and so their Knowledge and Technology is WHAT makes them more Godlike…”

That makes sense but I still don't like the way they took with the Engineers. I wanted them to be more alien, I would have liked to see more of their society and so on but we were given disappointing Engineers that were there for just some seconds and a city that looked like a stone-hut or what ever (obviously I exaggerate). Unfortunately those things just added to the pile of disappointments in Covenant even though there are things in it to like.

“Our Engineers were supposed to be more Statue like…”

That would have been so much better, I wonder if it was a budget-thing to make them look like that. It would have fitted with Prometheus to use some CGI so they would look more like the one in Prometheus and make more sense of them.

“.... so maybe this has Changed from this being because they are GODLIKE to actually NOW being a Sub-Created Species much like David and Replicants are.”

Which is worse although I sort of get the point but that isn't to say that it's good to make them look like those on Planet 4.
I would like the Engineers to be found on different planets. If they've advanced technology they might be able to terraform things which is an interesting reference to Aliens. Could there be a connection there? Who knows, it's an interesting idea but I doubt that they'll explore that side.

Hopefully Disney will understand that the franchise needs to expand and that they should keep the Engineers but like you I'm afraid that they'll go on with more Xenos and pulse-rifles. We'll see if they will be allowed to do something new or if Disney will step in and we'll get a Star Wars disappointment.

“I think we will see the Engineers but i think they will CHANGE the Plot and Appearance of them.”

Maybe it'll be improved compared to Covenant? If that's the case then I'm for it. This doesn't mean that you can't have philosophy in it but I also don't want a Aliens 2 or a David 3 (if Prometheus was David 1 and Covenant was David 2). What I know is that I don't want what Ridley seems to want, namely more David.

About the Elders, maybe they didn't have the look but it made sense, to me that's important. I like that deleted scene which of course was deleted, maybe for some reason that I don't like and was probably for the worse. Maybe hint at some of it if you won't be allowed another movie. Don't save all the interesting things for later, show at least some of it to make people interested like an introduction.


The Engineers could have created mankind for many reasons, not just one. I'm not sure what that reason would be even if it would be interesting to get some for it.

Speaking of Weyland, it would have been interesting to see some more flashbacks between him and David in Alien Covenant. When David does X you get a flashback between him and Weyland that sort of explains his reason for doing so but don't over-do it. That would maybe have given us at least one other well-written human character in Alien Covenant even though it would have been one that wasn't featured that much but it would probably have elevated the movie.

“... or the Engineers could REFUSE to even give her any Reason.”
That would have been fun like, prrf you don't get an answer. :D

“This is in PART why they had a Tricky Plot to Continue…”


Maybe they should have ended Prometheus in a better way? By doing that you avoid the difficult task when you try to figure out where to go with the sequel. She would probably die very shortly after they reach the Engineers home-world but whatever, we don't need to see her again.

As far as why the Engineers wanted to get rid of us it's simple, just look at how mankind acts today. The Jesus-explanation is less interesting.

What's more important is where to go now? To put it short I would like for them to make new worlds, new life-forms, things that we haven't seen before, better made human characters and an end to the robot-story or stories (not more of them in the future). Scott said that it's about what kind of world that David will create, I'm not the least interested in that and also there are more things that they can expand on (like corporate greed, the Engineers, and so on) or even better introduce something new into the franchise.

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Thoughts_DreamsAlien: Covenant ForumSo about that inequality... (Noah Hawley on the Alien Hulu series)

Woke? It's a little late to say that, Weyland Yutani anyone? They can whine if they feel like it but also those that are responsible for it can make whatever they want.

Ripley's speech in Alien 3 says it all. The first time they heard about the monster it was crew expandable, after that they sent in marines that were also expandable. WY gives less than a crap about anyone as long as they get the profit. My point is that it has been woke from the beginning (woke in a positive way I would say). People that whine about it can watch Fox news all they want, freedom of choice you know?

It's an important topic so why not? Whatever you think I guess that it's good to have a discussion about it. Further on I would say that it's also about who has the last say. WY is a good example of that, do as we say or else even though they are not as upfront with it but if you read between the lines it's there.

As for when it should be set I guess that it should be at least one hundred years from now. Don't have it too close to our time so there will be a potential for some things to have changed. Sci-fi has always been about future things, right?

Hopefully it will be good but that requires good writers and editing that isn't bad. Look at the prequels as a way to not make things.

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G. H. (Gman)Godzilla ForumGodzilla vs. Kong [Japanese] Box Office Watch (09/01/2021)

UPDATE 07/16/2021:
The actuals for Godzilla vs. Kong last weekend come from Bunkatsushin, with 1.15 Billion Yen which translates to roughly $10.5 Million. Attendance is now at 734,586. With any luck it should surpass Terror of MechaGodzilla and Godzilla vs. Megalon this weekend.

It's currently projected to finish around 1.05-1.40 million.

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumSo about that inequality... (Noah Hawley on the Alien Hulu series)

I think Mankind has Mistreated itself a LOT, especially those in POWER would see those UNDER them as Expendable and NOT Important... GREED and POWER are something that is SEEN in the Franchise.

As Ripley had said "I don't know which species is worse. You don't see them f***ing each other over for a goddamn percentage"

But there are Inequalities in LIFE and i am sure the TV Series will SHOW that, and maybe it would TOUCH on the A.I 

If you look at David he has Emotions, he is Sentient and YET he is still Treated as a TOASTER... he is Superior but he is NOT Treated Equal.  If there are other Synthetics who are as FREE as David who FEEL they Deserve to be Treated Equal well you can WONDER what they would DO to Cause Harm and Problems to their Unworthy Creators?

I think the Franchise which includes the Prequels have been Feminist with STRONG Emphasis on Female Leads. So will it tackle other areas of Inequality?

LGBT?, Racial Discrimination? Religious Freedom?

Who knows... would we have GOT OVER these things in the FUTURE?

I think it depends on HOW FAR in the Future the TV Series is SET and it seems that its in the NOT too Distant Future.  I suspect it would be more about the CULTURE Divide and Layers of  Standard of living and so the UPPER CLASS and those who are from Areas of Poverty and Poor Countries who will be OFFERED what seems Opportunity by the Wealthy Corps... but in Reality they will be USED!

So we could see some kinds of Future Day Slavery and Unknowing Guinea Pigs and so what kind of Inequalities and HOW it is People will be used as merely Pawns... maybe depends on WHERE the TV Show is SET-IN

As FAR as HOW FAR we have come in the Space Age at the TIME of the TV Show.  I suspect its SET between 2050-2075

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumThe Engineers (Sub Creation)

Certainly she was a Very Naive Character, but you could tell that her Experience with the Trilobite and Loss of Charlie had a Effect on her.... she has NOTHING, she can not Bare Children (not in the Traditional Sense) it seems she has NOTHING to go back Home too and so for her its the ANSWERS that she wants.... and i think that Depending on those Answers could BREAK her and so her ARC could be Interesting... all she has is her FAITH and a QUEST for Answers.  So depending on her Answers or lack of Any then that could give her a GOOD STORY ARC.

With David in Prometheus he was a Interesting Character he is FREE from being the Servant of Peter Weyland, he is FREE from being Mistreated and so you do get the Impression that maybe IF he was Treated Well by People then he would NOT be a EVIL Character.

His Line to Daniels is Interesting "if we are KIND it will be a KIND world"

And so i think you could have had a Interesting Dynamic with Dr Shaw, he could have GROWN very FOND and Protective of her, while she could become WRECKLAS in her Persuit of her Answers even if this PUTS her in Danger.

Would David allow her to be PLACED in any Danger?

Maybe he would FALL for her? But how would such EMOTIONS be Handled by HIM and WHAT IF that LOVE is never Reciprocated?  

If she gains Attention from the BEINGS that they could MEET and then it seems to David that Dr Shaw has more Interest in them and NOT HIM and these beings have NO interest in David then could he become Jealous?

So there are Numerous ways they could have Evolved the Arc of their Stories and Dynamic, that SADLY we never saw in Alien Covenant but had Glimpses with The Crossing Prologue.

Sadly its a Case of would the CORE of the Franchise Fanbase want and watch a Movie that Revolves around those TWO?  Can you have a Movie where HALF of it is Dedicated to just TWO CHARACTERS?

You could but would that APPEAL to the Broad Fanbase and i think that FOX had felt the Fanbase wanted the Origins of the Xenomorph and to see our MONSTER back on the Screen and eventually take us to the Derelict on LV-426

There is a STORY there from when Dr Shaw had recovered Davids Body/Head to the Point when Dr Shaw ended up on that Slab of Rock.  While it may not be Quite what could have been DONE with the Story.. i feel there is a STORY there that would WARRANT a Novel.

It appeared there was some Shared Fondness between Dr Shaw and David but SOMETHING had Happened... that Ultimately lead to her as becoming a CADAVER we may get some Insight from Alien Covenant and Especially Davids NOTES...

To have him merely PLAYING HER all along and wanting to just KILL the Engineers and USE her for his Experiments i think is a COP OUT... i think there could be more to it than that.... i think seeing Dr Shaw make a Discovery and NOT want to be Part of a OFFER that David has for her.... leads to the FALL of their Relationship and the Seeds to he becoming his TEST Subject.

But YES it could have gone so much Differently had they Continued with what seemed the Plan in 2012-2013.

As for David.... i think that as of NOW (Alien Covenant) then it will be back to SUB-CREATION.... i suspect he would be going to Create/Evolve his own Children which is WHERE those Embryo's will come into PLAY as RS had said its NOT about the Xenomorph, but WHAT KIND of WORLD would David Create and about A.I (where he also referred to Replicants as A.I and so A.I can be Organic).

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Michelle JohnstonAlien: Covenant ForumThe Engineers (Sub Creation)

There is something else which I am not sure Ridley has the skill to pursue. Good episodic story telling shows the audience the characters arc and how they react to to it. It is engaging and gets you invested in character.

When Elizabeth left in the Engineer Craft she was profoundly changed by her experiences and her list of questions were growing. Equally once David had been healed by Elizabeth and been shown such kindness that would have affected him. Both would have been profoundly changed.

So whilst it was a shame not to go where Ridley and Damon had riffed it was a shame that a really fascinating set of character arcs were snuffed out.  

 

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumThe Engineers (Sub Creation)

I think that YES the Set-up would seem that we would go where David and Dr Shaw would be HEADING and that there are some BURNING QUESTIONS that we would have Expected some Answers too... and you would think that Dr Shaw would have had to be the ANCHOR point and our Proxy to get those Answers, rather than to just END-UP on a Slab of Stone.

The Engineers Technology is Many Millions of Years Old, and YES depending on WHERE the Sacrificial Scene had taken Place and HOW you Frame it, then you have a Time-Line of just HOW LONG ago this was.  But as RS had said this does-not have to be Earth, and so it could also be ANY TIME.. its to just SHOW how the Engineers Seed Worlds.

So they could Answer it as the Sacrificial Glossy Engineer was taking the GOO on a World that his KIND had wished to Corrupt/Desecrate and so they could have it that this WORLD would soon be Rampant with Neomorphs and the like!

However YES at the Shooting of the Movie then the IDEA was this was on Earth, and its the Beginning Point of either...  Building Blocks of LIFE or more likely the Catalyst that allowed for Multi-Cell and Complex Life to Form.

So the Engineers would come back OVER and OVER and Evolving Life at Intervals for Millions of Years...  UNTIL there was a Point when Humanoid Life had then WALKED on the Earth and then the Engineers appear to be making more Regular Visits to Teach us Various things. To Influence our Culture and Way of Life..... but there came a POINT when we had Influenced ourselves to ACT in ways that the Engineers were NOT pleased with.

It would seem after they had became Concerned with us this is WHEN they began those Experiments on LV-223, the Question would be was LV-223 a Outpost for over 35'000 Years?  And IF-SO was it Conducting Experiments trying to Create Horrors like we saw in Prometheus and the Fresco/Mural.

so YES we have to ask about WHAT KIND of Creation/Agenda did they have Millions of Years ago?  They seemed to be Interested in Creations in their OWN IMAGE and had Invested Time and Effort in coming to VISIT us for Tens of Thousands of Years.

To then become Obsessed/Interested in the HORRORS of LV-223 some Thousands of Years ago and so we have to ASK... had they been into that kind of Horrors for longer than 2000-3000 Years?  And so YES we have to WONDER as to WHEN they became Obsessed with that.

Because as a TOOL to RESET a World... then Dropping Down Urns of Sacrificial Goo would make more SENSE... but they was NOT CONTENT with that... so we have to look at WHAT was they thinking... and WAS what was going on LV-223 something the Hierarchy or Creators of those Engineers even AWARE of?

I do think that it would have been BETTER that we saw Dr Shaw get to the BOTTOM of some of those Questions... but ALAS.

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BigDaveAlien: Covenant ForumThe Engineers (Sub Creation)

"Babouska Dolls" is something interesting to bring up as INDEED a Part of doing the Prequels was to Discover maybe WHO that was in the Pilot Chair on LV-426, well Certainly as FAR as the Space Jockey Species.  And so YES what we have ENDED UP with is kind of a Babouska Doll

The Idea was for a 27ft Space Jockey but in Reality we got a 21-22ft which then in the Closer Shots (used Adult Actors) then the Space Jockey had become its PROP SIZE and so we was looking at a 13-15ft being.

Which the Intention with the Prequels was to give us 12-15ft Engineers, but when it came down to Production they had aimed for 10ft but the ONLY kind of Illusion Created was up to 8ft.  I had Joked before that by the time we get to the CONCLUSION maybe they could reveal its a BEING that is Played by Warwick Davis as the Space Jockey the Final Babouska Doll ;)

I think that YES they had intended Originally to give us Humanoids who had that Certain Glossy Look to them, like they was made of Marble so they would look like a Roman/Greek Marble Statue this kind of Skin Tone/Texture does have that Synthetic look about it and so if they had decided to make our Prometheus Engineers something of a Sub-Creation or a Engineered/Evolved Variant of themselves then i think this makes sense when we consider other Elements of the Plot.

But this does make our Engineers who could be 6-8ft Tall (likely have some Diversity as they are now more Human looking), become LESS GODLIKE and Less like what Ancient Cultures of Gods had Depicted... However most cases the Gods had a Very Human Appearance it was their Clothing at times, Skin Color in some Cultures but their SIZE that made them STAND APART from a Human.   And so beings of 10-12ft does FIT more with Ancient Mythology etc.

However it could be Explored that the Sub-Created/Engineered... Super Engineers if you would could have GONE AROUND to Worlds and PRETENDED to be their GODS when this was NOT their DUTY.  It could be like say if the Colony on Origae-6 is SET-UP and then David goes and KILLS the Adults... and then Raises the Children/Embryos and Declares to THEM that he is their GOD and Creator.... when he is NOT.

There are Numerous ways that they could SHOW the Connection to our Creation and the Connection/Differences between our Planet 4 Engineers and LV-223 Guys.

Things are always SUBJECT to Change.... and while they may want to have us see those Planet 4 Engineers as the Originals and Very Much Mortals (RS said they Live for about 200 Years i think). They could CHANGE it back to have our Engineers from Prometheus being the GODS and those on Planet 4 are merely the Engineers attempts and a Upgraded Human.

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